End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11

[Sister Alvear]

Surely Paul could have used more overt words than “I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence.” And of course there is the issue of the Scriptural fact that women in the past, and even in Paul’s day, did indeed teach and have authority over or with men (e.g., the prophetess Deborah in Judges 4, Aquila and Pricilla in Acts 18:26). Paul certainly knew of Deborah and others, so it seems strange that he should contradict prior revelation. The main point here is that there might be a level of eisegesis (reading into the text) going on when interpreters come to conclusions that are not clearly stated in the text.

[Sister Alvear]

1 Timothy 2:11,12, as they quote George Williams:..A married woman (v. 12) was not to teach or to claim authority over her husband but to be in subordination. Many misunderstand this command; they divorce it from its context, which is the family, and they carry it into the prayer-meeting [dealt with in vv. 1-10], and argue that a woman is forbidden to preach or pray—she is not to teach men—not even her dying husband how to escape from the wrath to come! This is a popular error. What God says here is that a wife is not to govern her husband.

[Sister Alvear]

and yes I am pasting parts from a Bible study...I am very weak after teaching over 2 hours...they say I have pneumonia again...anyway...

I only studied Hebrew one year and Greek less than a year so I am no expert however as my health permits and time permits I do want to share. Those that know me know I am not the forward type and never have run for a platform seat. Yet I know the Bible makes room for ladies to speak and work in the vineyard of our Lord. We cannot judge all ladies by a few that do not know their place...There are many Godly ladies that have given their all that Jesus Christ be known....

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by rdp

LOL - I have offered in-depth syntax, exegesis, lexical quotes, & most importantly, BIBLE - Y'all are merely offering your copy-paste commentaries that agree with you, but disagree with the Bible .

I haven't copied and pasted anything except to comment on what you have said, or others.

Originally Posted by rdp

BTW, though I do not have time to expound in-depth right now (just fitting this in when I am able), Paul was laying down a life-style principle in the following principle (ever heard of the micro-context & macro-context hermeneutic?):

II Thes. 3:6 "Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us."

The Greek verb translated "walketh" (περιπατοῦντος) defines as "how one lives their life" (http://biblehub.com/greek/4043.htm) & is not isolated to just the work-life (or lack there-of). No, I will not fellowship "women-preachers" & the Bible "commands" me not to - Sorry, try again !

RDP, I posted the entire context of the verse above, and you have ignored the obvious that Paul was talking about with all your micro-context/macro-context objections. Paul WAS talking about lazy busybodies, and to have no fellowship with those who were not working as a lifestyle of walking, or living.

You are choosing to ignore the obvious, and to play incorrect exegesis with this scripture, to torment folks who don't agree with you, when Paul was dealing with laziness and busybodies, and those who weren't working, and the premise for this scripture that you are waving around is pulled out of context.

From RDP's translation:
11 Let a woman learn in silence with all submission. 12 And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression....3.14 I hope to come to you soon, but I am writing these things to you so that, 15 if I delay, you may know how one ought to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, a pillar and buttress of the truth.

What portion of this do y'all not comprehend ?

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

" When we look up the word "man" we find that it is Strong's number 435, this use of man means "husband. "Now if we insert the correct use of the word woman and man the passage now reads as follows:

"Let the wife learn in silence with all subjection, But I suffer not a wife to teach, nor to usurp authority over the husband, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the wife being deceived in the transgression. "

We must be careful to make sure the translation that we read is what is really being said.

The bold makes PERFECT sense

[Sister Alvear]

I KNOW BY HEART ALL OF RDP'S POSITIONS AND HIS QUESTIONS...HOWEVER HE CANNOT ANSWER WHY THE BIBLE TEACHES THAT PROPHECY IS THE GIFT WE SHOULD DESIRE MOST...THE GIFT TO BE USED IN THE CHURCH....WHERE MAN AND WOMEN ARE PRESENT AND PROPHECY IS “edification, exhortation and comfort.” TO WHO? TO THE CHURCH BODY..."On the simplest level, a prophet is one who speaks words from God that build people up: He that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort." —1 Corinthians 14:3...he word edify is related to the word edifice, which is another word for “a building.” The church is God’s building. His building (His edifice) is built up through prophecy.

How do prophetic words build up the church? By bringing exhortation and comfort to the individual people who make up the church.

Exhortation is the Greek word paraklesis, which means "solace, entreaty, consolation, admonition or comfort.

A WOMAN PROPHET...PROPHETESS....IS CALLED TO DO THE SAME THING A MAN PROPHET DOES FOR THE GIFT IS THE SAME...THE REASON FOR THE GIFT IS THE SAME AND THE PURPOSE OF THE GIFT IS THE SAME....TO EDIFY...TO EXHORT AND TO CONFORT THE CHURCH...

[Sister Alvear]

INTERESTING IS JUDIASM 101...

A prophet is basically a spokesman for G-d, a person chosen by G-d to speak to people on G-d's behalf and convey a message or teaching. Prophets were role models of holiness, scholarship and closeness to G-d. They set the standards for the entire community.

The Hebrew word for a prophet, navi (Nun-Beit-Yod-Alef) comes from the term niv sefatayim meaning "fruit of the lips," which emphasizes the prophet's role as a speaker.

The Talmud teaches that there were hundreds of thousands of prophets: twice as many as the number of people who left Egypt, which was 600,000. But most of the prophets conveyed messages that were intended solely for their own generation and were not reported in scripture. Scripture identifies only 55 prophets of Israel.

A prophet is not necessarily a man. Scripture records the stories of seven female prophets, listed below, and the Talmud reports that Sarah's prophetic ability was superior to Abraham's.

A prophet is not necessarily a Jew. The Talmud reports that there were prophets among the gentiles (most notably Balaam, whose story is told in Numbers 22), although they were not as elevated as the prophets of Israel (as the story of Balaam demonstrates). And some of the prophets, such as Jonah, were sent on missions to speak to the gentiles.

According to some views, prophecy is not a gift that is arbitrarily conferred upon people; rather, it is the culmination of a person's spiritual and ethical development. When a person reaches a sufficient level of spiritual and ethical achievement, the Shechinah (Divine Spirit) comes to rest upon him or her. Likewise, the gift of prophecy leaves the person if that person lapses from his or her spiritual and ethical perfection.

The greatest of the prophets was Moses. It is said that Moses saw all that all of the other prophets combined saw, and more. Moses saw the whole of the Torah, including the Prophets and the Writings that were written hundreds of years later. All subsequent prophecy was merely an expression of what Moses had already seen. Thus, it is taught that nothing in the Prophets or the Writings can be in conflict with Moses' writings, because Moses saw it all in advance.

The Talmud states that the writings of the prophets will not be necessary in the World to Come, because in that day, all people will be mentally, spiritually and ethically perfect, and all will have the gift of prophecy.

OF course I do not agrewe with everything but it is interesting that even Judaism tells us a prophet was a spokeman for God then turns around and says there were women prophets...

In other words women that spoke in the place of God...yes, dear ones wise people heard and obeyed what women prophets said....

[Sister Alvear]

The Hebrew word translated prophecy is "naba," which means in its root form to flow forth, implying a freely flowing word that comes very smoothly, without any effort on the speaker's part. The Greek root word for prophecy "propheteuo" means to speak for another, indicating that the speaker is merely a messenger, and that the authority for the message is from another source.

[Sister Alvear]

Nehemiah 6:7 in which we see clearly what a prophet does. "And thou hast also appointed prophets to preach of thee at Jerusalem." And also in Jonah 3:1, 2 we can see what God appointed this prophet to do, "And the word of the LORD came unto Jonah the second time, saying, Arise, go unto Nineveh, that great city, and preach unto it the preaching that I bid thee.

[Sister Alvear]

" So it is very clear and plain that preaching God's message is what prophets do and that a prophet is just a preacher in the true sense. So then we see that a prophet, both in the Old Testament and the New Testament, is a person that is called by God to declare His mind to the people

[KeptByTheWord]

So, the answer to the question I have repeatedly asked RDP, how can a woman prophesy, and yet still have to remain silent in church (according to his interpretation of that verse)?

He had no answer, but lots of "smoke and mirrors" to quote his own words.

The answer remains to be this: A wife can be in submission to her husband's authority at home, and still prophesy, according to I Cor. 11, and not have to remain silent, when the Lord wished to speak to the church through her.

A woman can preach the gospel of Jesus, and still be submitted to her husband.

She can be an evangelist sharing the gospel of Jesus, while remaining in submission to her husband.

Granted there are those women who take liberties with this... but many, many great woman have been called of God, have remained surrendered, and submitted wives to their husbands, while preaching the great commission, the gospel of Jesus Christ to the lost.

There are those who, like our dear friend RDP, do not see this simple truth.

The fact remains, though that the gospel is being shared around the world by those who have been called by God to do so.