End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11

[Abiding Now]

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

What about outside the church, lol?
Maybe in the parking lot?

Or in the jungle where I don't want to go.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sasha

I really am puzzled by this.

I did not respond because I never claimed she was in "witchcraft" & I have no earthy idea what you're talking bout ? I have said that when she gets up to "teach-preach" to men in the church - she's completely out of her God-given place (& she, as well as any other woman, certainly is) - but I have never said she was in "witchcraft" ??


Besides, I said I gave the financial support to the Alvear's church-mission - which I recognize as a "him" & not a "her" (though I have personally known men who could not support them in good conscience due to this very issue).


Anything other than the Word of God though eh' ?

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Pliny

I find it interesting that Phoebe is brought forth as "proof" for women preachers because of (Rom 16:1 KJV) I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea:

The word servant is translated from
G1249
διάκονος
diakonos


This is indeed a word that was used to create the role of the Deacon in the church. However, We must not backwards interpret passages to conform to our own predilections.

This term, as it is translated, implies only that Phebe was a servant. Nothing more and nothing less. For those who would care to look you can see this in Jn. 2:5,9 where the servants (G1249) were brought to Jesus or Matthew 22:13 or Jn. 12:26.

Phebe apparently was a woman like Tabitha (Dorcas Acts 9:40) that served (G1249) the church.

Paul would not have contradicted himself:
(1Ti 3:12 KJV) Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.

Unless one suggests that Phebe had a wife...

Exactly !

[Sister Alvear]

Such an awesome thing happened tonight...I sure did not plan to preach tonight as it was a special service and I thought Raul Jr would preach or Brother Alvear...I did not even take the right Bible! After they called Raul Jr he said my father is going to say something but I want my mother to say something after him since this church is the fruits of labor of many years ago of my mother...There sat the 1st pastor's wife in her 80's...It was over 40 years I had known her....but the most part were young people...I had no idea what to say but as I walked to the pulpit the Lord spoke to me and said, Marriage trouble....I told the church what the Lord said...and we waited a few minutes in HIS presence and the Lord once again spoke to me to tell them to repent... and forgive...It was not long until several couples came to the front weeping...and we all gathered around praying.
What I did not know and the pastor told me after church one of those couples was in deep marriage problems and things were really bad...really...really bad....
They made things right and so did some others...after church they wanted to know if we could stay a little longer and go eat with them a little snack...so 20 or so of us went rejoicing with these little couples that God mended their broken hearts....Oh, what rejoicing....
I thought of the little song coming home tonight...If I can help somebody then my living will not be in vain....
My son told me coming home he knew about the problem and he knew whatever he said they might know he knew...but he knew I knew nothing....
So whether you call it prophecy...or whatever just glad to be a part of helping people in someway....

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Pliny

It has been hinted at and I have heard it numerous times from many places, that a person's calling will make room for itself. Typically the passage referred to is:
(Pro 18:16 KJV) A man's gift maketh room for him, and bringeth him before great men.

This passage is actually dealing with bribery...

Very good point.

[Sister Alvear]

We do not need support from people that do not believe in us...God has an army of people that have stood with us over 45 years...I would not even want money from someone that does not believe in me...However like I have said a lot of times....I never heard the lord call me to preach He called me to be a missionary...so anyone saying they will not support us because of me does not really know us well...God called me to be a missionary...and yes I believe in women preachers...and grew up listening to Sister A. O. Holmes and Sister C.P. Williams all my life...

[Sister Alvear]

Well, goodnight...we just got in from our journey...it is 4:12 in the morning here....and tomorrow night I do have a job to do....

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sasha

Note the verses where 1249 is used for 'servant:
Romans 13:4; Romans 15:8; Romans 16:1 1 Corinthians 3:5 2 Corinthians 3:6; 2 Corinthians 6:4; 2 Corinthians 11:15; 2 Corinthians 11:23 Ephesians 3:7; Ephesians 6:21 Colossians 1:7; Colossians 1:23; Colossians 1:25; Colossians 4:7 1 Timothy 3:8; 1 Timothy 3:12; 1 Timothy 4:6

Except for Phoebe, these other verses refer to men, including Paul several times.

Servant doesn't mean tablewaiter or maid, dishwasher or launderer. This word was used to describe Phoebe's relationship to a certain church, and that same word is used to describe many men, including Paul, and their relationships to their churches.

Well, here we go again - same ol' arguments that have been addressed over & over & over .


Here is the actual definition of the noun translated "servant":

Original Word: διάκονος, οῦ, ὁ, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine; Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: diakonos
Phonetic Spelling: (dee-ak'-on-os)
Short Definition: a waiter, servant, administrator
Definition: a waiter, servant; then of any one who performs any service, an administrator.



Still not convinced - Hmmm, let's try another lexical source then:


2. a deacon, one who, by virtue of the office assigned him by the church, cares for the poor and has charge of and distributes the money collected for their use (cf. BB. DD., Dict. of Christ. Antiq., Schaff-Herzog under the word ; Lightfoot's Commentary on Philippians, dissert. i. § i.; Julius Muller, Dogmatische Abhandlungen, p. 560ff): Philippians 1:1; 1 Timothy 3:8, 12, cf. Acts 6:3ff; ἡ διάκονος, a deaconess (ministra, Pliny, epistles 10, 97), a woman to whom the care of either poor or sick women was entrusted, Romans 16:1 (cf. Dictionaries as above, under the word ; Lightfoot as above, p. 191; B. D. under the word ).



Your logic is the same that says, "Since most police officers wear dark-colored shirts - everyone who wears a dark shirt must be a police officer!"


Sorry - This dodge won't work either gals - Next?

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

What about outside the church, lol?
Maybe in the parking lot?

Church is not a building - assumption alert....Quick, everyone grab their Bible ('course, that wouldn't matter on AFF - LOL)!

[Sister Alvear]

One of the best sermons I ever head preached was by Sister Lambeth in a little village church probably 42 years ago....What I say to one I say to all watch....never forgot that sermon....