End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11

[Roxanne Murphy]

Originally Posted by rdp

LOL - I do not have "opinions" when it comes to Bible doctrine - I simply allow careful examination of the biblical data to inform my conclusions & teach/preach the same to others.

now THAT is a bold fib if ever there was one! Unless you are a machine or you have already been translated and no longer have your carnal self to contend with, you do have "opinions".

You oughta' walk away from your constant rabbit-trails & give it a try !
lead the way, sir, lead the way


To be honest, many on here need to repent for their dishonesty with the clear instructions in God's Word (won't hold my breath though ).


And because you are a leading offender in this area, please be so kind as to lead the prayer of repentance.

I am still astonished that you consider yourself a minister of the gospel and yet you have the audacity to say that a saved woman has no business having a Biblical discussion about anything with an unsaved man. How completely contrary to the Great Commission this warped concept is! Do you actually teach the poor ladies in your church that if any man asks them about what they believe, and the conversation makes it past the "I don't believe in (list 'holiness standards' here), and the man actually asks, "How can I be saved?", that sister can't share the gospel with him? How is that soul supposed to hear the gospel? Is she is supposed to: 1) call her husband to talk to the man; 2) just tell him he needs to come to the next scheduled church service so the pastor can tell him how to be saved; 3) hand him a preprinted paper (written by a man, of course), to explain how to be saved?
If this is truly what you believe and preach regarding reaching the lost (since saved women shouldn't be having any kind of scriptural discussion with an unsaved man), then truly you are fulfilling the role of the Pharisee in the 21st century:

But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in. (Matthew 23:13 KJV)

[Roxanne Murphy]

And now, back to this text:

But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy: (Acts 2:16-18 KJV)

The Greek word translated as "shall prophesy" in this passage is this:
From the Strong's Concordance:

G4395: προφητεύω (prof-ate-yoo'-o)
from 4396; to foretell events, divine, speak under inspiration, exercise the prophetic office:--prophesy.

And 4396 says:
From the Strong's Concordance:
G4396: προφήτης (prof-ay'-tace)
from a compound of 4253 and 5346; a foreteller ("prophet"); by analogy, an inspired speaker; by extension, a poet:--prophet.

This same word prof-ay'-tace is the word translated as "prophets" in Ephesians 4:11-12:

And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: (Ephesians 4:11, 12 KJV)

Like it or not, women DO have a place in the five fold ministry, and they were given this place at the same time as men, at the birth of the church in Acts 2. That is, unless somehow the Apostle Peter mistakenly referenced the prophecy of Joel.

For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. (Galatians 3:26-28 KJV)

For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular. And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues. Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles? Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret? But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way. (1 Corinthians 12:13, 27-31 KJV)

In these scriptures that talk about apostles and prophets and teachers, I don't read anything that differentiates these as being gender specific or gender exclusive, rather, they are written in the context of the body of Christ where gender is not a determining factor in how or where one who is baptized into the body is used in the body.

So, can a Holy Ghost filled woman declare to the body what thus saith the Lord, and teach the Word of God, and be an apostle (we today would call her a missionary) who takes the gospel to a place where it has not yet been preached? Absolutely YES! And this is the role that godly Spirit filled women like Sister Alvear, Nona Freeman, Carrie Eastridge, Lucille Farmer, Ruby Klemin, Bobbye Wendell, and a host of others, fill in the kingdom of God!
It is my experience that those brethren who pull scriptures out of context from the pastoral epistles to say that women are not allowed to preach/teach the Word of God are at best misinformed, and at worst are insecure control freaks with misogynist issues. (Yes, that was a big shotgun blast, both barrels, because just like a pesky varmint, this teaching warrants some serious firepower to deal with it).

[Sister Alvear]

Roxanne Murphy, did you know Sister Farmer?

[Sister Alvear]

I seldom even read those posts after he left a questionable impression about my character...I do read others that have posted they believe or don't believe in women in ministry but not posts from people who attack others on a personal level.
It is clear that women spoke to men and taught them in the Bible...No one here is saying at all that the husband is not the leader in the home. However no scripture teaches that women are subject to all men.
Look once again at Priscilla and Aquila, both the man and the woman were equally engaged in serving the early churches... They dedicated their lives to this task... And this was not a situation where Aquila did all the preaching and teaching, while Priscilla served them tea and biscuits!.. She was as much a teacher of the truth as was her husband!.. And, in the case of Apollos, it is expressly stated that both of them took part in expounding the Scriptures to this great man of God.

[Sister Alvear]

Last night I was asked to tell the story of my life to our son's young people. Their leader had asked me some time back and it worked out we could be here. (We live over 1500 miles from here) Some of the young people put it on face book and sereral pastors let their young people come. (that was so sweet especially for a Sunday night) The building was packed. The theme of the service was, It was worth it all...They had a very short little play about this theme and several songs. I put together a power point presentation starting off with the story of Sister Leverne Collins and the UPC of west Africa and her gift to God. (Her life) (If you do not know the story you should read about her) Then showed a picture of me graduating from High school in 1968 and coming right on to Brazil! Showed a few pictures of building churches from that early era...mixing the cement by hand and laying bricks...then the showed pictures of a few hundred of our churches here...the altar filled up with young people dedicating their lives to God and His work and several new young people that were Catholic came and repented of their sins...
The presence of the Lord was so real...so real....so real.....seeing God touch so many young people...Yes, it has been worth it all.....

[Sister Alvear]

Anyone who believes that a woman is forbidden by the Almighty to teach had better take the issue up with Him personally, because in the case of Priscilla, she was gifted as a teacher and she actively taught as one... It is quite obvious that Paul thought highly of both her and her husband, for he says in Romans 16:“Greet Priscilla and Aquila my HELPERS in Christ Jesus: who for my life laid down THEIR OWN NECKS: unto whom not only I give thanks, but also ALL THE CHURCHES OF THE GENTILES... Likewise greet the church that is IN THEIR HOUSE” (Rom. 16:3-5)...The Greek word for helpers in verse 3 is sunergos, and it means co-laborer, companion in labor, laborer together with...

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by rdp

Women are expressly forbidden by Scripture to "preach-teach" men the Word of God in the church - period .



Try again Sis..........

Why don't you try again, RDP, to show me the scripture that says "women shalt not prophesy or preach"?

Nowhere does Paul say that a woman can't preach. He does say a woman is not to teach or tell her husband what to do. But there is no specific scripture in any of Paul's writings that says "a woman shall not preach".

Sorry... but its not there. All believers are commanded to go and preach. All those who were scattered... weren't just men... it was their wives and children too... and that scripture said "they" that were scattered went preaching.. no matter how you want to define it, it still reads that way. You don't like it because it messes with your theology, but regardless, it is still there. Women, just like men, are commissioned to share the good news of the gospel wherever they go.

If this were not the case, then why would God have even given women the spirit? If the great commission was foretold in Joel, and Jesus confirmed it before his ascension, and women were present at the Day of Pentecost, then the fact that women can prophesy and preach the gospel should be as plain as the nose on your face.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

Why don't you try again, RDP, to show me the scripture that says "women shalt not prophesy or preach"?

Nowhere does Paul say that a woman can't preach. He does say a woman is not to teach or tell her husband what to do. But there is no specific scripture in any of Paul's writings that says "a woman shall not preach".

Sorry... but its not there. All believers are commanded to go and preach. All those who were scattered... weren't just men... it was their wives and children too... and that scripture said "they" that were scattered went preaching.. no matter how you want to define it, it still reads that way. You don't like it because it messes with your theology, but regardless, it is still there. Women, just like men, are commissioned to share the good news of the gospel wherever they go.

If this were not the case, then why would God have even given women the spirit? If the great commission was foretold in Joel, and Jesus confirmed it before his ascension, and women were present at the Day of Pentecost, then the fact that women can prophesy and preach the gospel should be as plain as the nose on your face.

Watch how easy this is: YES, the Bible CLEARLY says that women are not to teach-preach to men in the church - & y'all can deny it until doomsday - but that won't make it go away !


Y'all have been caught over & over & over making completely embarrassing mistakes in the biblical data & Greek texts (Roxanne just made some also ). What will y'all do? Instead of being honest & conceding error - you stubbornly plod along with your fingers stuck in your ears parroting the same ol' false information (& I mean COMPLETELY false - shame on you). Why? Because y'all are in rebellion to God's Word &, like Israel of old & the Pharisees of the NT - Y'all refuse to repent !


I expected nothing less on AFF - & was not disappointed !



No worries though - I'll be back in a few to demonstrate the errors & Sis. Alvear's same ol'-same ol' copy-paste job!



Back a little later !

[ILG]

Originally Posted by rdp

I expected nothing less on AFF - & was not disappointed !

This dude is happy you are in error so he can correct you!

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by rdp

Watch how easy this is: YES, the Bible CLEARLY says that women are not to teach-preach to men in the church - & y'all can deny it until doomsday - but that won't make it go away !


Y'all have been caught over & over & over making completely embarrassing mistakes in the biblical data & Greek texts (Roxanne just made some also ). What will y'all do? Instead of being honest & conceding error - you stubbornly plod along with your fingers stuck in your ears parroting the same ol' false information (& I mean COMPLETELY false - shame on you). Why? Because y'all are in rebellion to God's Word &, like Israel of old & the Pharisees of the NT - Y'all refuse to repent !


I expected nothing less on AFF - & was not disappointed !



No worries though - I'll be back in a few to demonstrate the errors & Sis. Alvear's same ol'-same ol' copy-paste job!



Back a little later !

What if a woman is very knowledgeable and a male elder calls upon her to share her studies and findings with the body? She's under male authority if she does this, is she not? To disregard her wouldn't be to challenge her authority, because she has none. She is simply serving. It would be to challenge the elder's authority, and that's REBELLION.