End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11

[Sasha]

Originally Posted by RJR

And still not one qualification for the ministry that says, she must be the wife of one husband. However, for a widow to be taken into the number this qualification was given.

Isn't it interesting, not one female priest, not one female Apostle chosen by the Lord, not one qualification that was female specific for deacons and bishops. I guess you folks think this was an oversight of the Holy Ghost.

To whom is Matt 28:19 written?

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

sad that there are those that had rather someone not hear of Jesus than for a woman to tell them...

I have tried to be kind but this is stupid.
How many times has it been said that everyone should seek to win the lost and seek to be used in the gifts of the Spirit? To many to count!

This is another object lesson as to why women should not try to feed the flock of God. This reliance upon appeals to emotion is shameful. It is a poor attempt at castigating men that have taken a stand for the word of God. It is a poor attempt to paint them as unconcerned about souls and is nothing short of a lie. Please document where anyone said a woman should not witness about Jesus.

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Wouldn’t Jesus Christ be a fraud if He would tell a woman to go and tell and then allow Paul to later close her mouth? I have staked my whole eternity on the fact that He is real and not a fraud. I do not believe that Paul closed her mouth. I believe that the present day structure has closed her mouth for the early church had no pulpits to preach behind…
They went everywhere preaching the gospel...They preached on the street corners, in the markets, from house to house...

More appeals to emotion rather than the pure word of God. The elders were called and told to feed the flock of God (Acts 20). I wonder why there were no women there? Actually no i don't. I know why women were not part of that meeting. Its because the bishop is to be the husband of one wife.

This is yet another demonstration of why women should not be allowed to teach or preach, that is feed the flock of God. You apparently do not know the difference between witnessing and feeding God's flock.

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

1 Corinthians 11.2–11, Paul talks about "And any woman who prays or prophecies (proclaims God's message) in public worship with nothing on her head disgraces her husband" - instructions which indicate that they did pray and proclaim God's message in public worship - and he doesn't forbid them to do that, just tells them how to dress. Do you honestly think Paul would have told a woman how to dress, not to cut her hair so she could speak in church and then turn right around and say, Shut up…?

Yet again more proof of why women should not feed the flock of God. They cannot tell the difference between feeding God's flock and witnessing.

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Some people say, Sister Alvear, we believe I Cor. 14:34, 35 exactly like it reads, I wonder why they don’t believe Acts 4:34, 35; Acts 5:1 exactly like it reads? Acts 4:34-35, Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold, and laid them down at the apostles feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need. Acts 5:1, But a certain man named Ananias, with Saphira his wife, sold possession. Some one said they believed literally just as the Scripture was written well, I said it says except a man be born again of the water and spirit... does this exclude women? Of course not!

More vain babbling... Who doesn't believe this? Its easy to make statements that appeal to emotion. It is quite another to to document the assertion. Please document this assertion. Who said they believe Corinthians but not Acts. If you cannot do this then one wonders if you know the difference between 'truth" and a "little white lie".

[RJR]

Originally Posted by Sasha

To whom is Matt 28:19 written?

Originally, he is talking to the eleven, and there was not a woman among them. Mat. 28:16

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

1 Corinthians 11.2–11, Paul talks about "And any woman who prays or prophecies (proclaims God's message) in public worship with nothing on her head disgraces her husband" - instructions which indicate that they did pray and proclaim God's message in public worship - and he doesn't forbid them to do that, just tells them how to dress. Do you honestly think Paul would have told a woman how to dress, not to cut her hair so she could speak in church and then turn right around and say, Shut up…?

More proof a woman should not feed God's flock because they cannot discern the difference between witnessing and being used in the gifts of the Spirit and feeding God's flock.

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by rdp

Oh Brother, here we go again? Yes, the Bible specifically states that women are not to "preach-teach" to men in the church assembly. You are simply in denial & stubborn rebellion to the passage (all with a sweet smile of course ). For about the 50th time now:



11 A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner...I am writing you these instructions so that, 15 if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God’s household, which is the church.



Here is the exact Greek text of I Timothy 2.12: http://biblehub.com/text/1_timothy/2-12.htm



Here is the lexical definition of the Greek verb translated "to teach" (διδάσκειν):


In the NT, 1321 /didáskō ("teach") nearly always refers to teaching the Scriptures (the written Word of God). The key role of teaching Scripture is shown by its great frequency in the NT, and the variety of word-forms (cognates). This includes three noun-forms, two adjectival forms, and one verb, totaling about 220 occurrences in the NT (http://www.helpsbible.com/).



Or, here's another lil' diddy fer ya':


"Women should be silent during the church meetings. It is not proper for them to speak. They should be submissive, just as the law says."


Since you have repeatedly referenced Dr. "Strong" in this thread, let's see if you'll equally accept his lexical data on the Greek verb translated "to speak" above:



Preach, say, speak - A prolonged form of an otherwise obsolete verb; to talk, i.e. Utter words -- Preach (http://biblehub.com/strongs/greek/2980.htm).



You have been told over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over X ad nauseum infinitum that this same verb is equally translated as "preach" 6 times in the KJV (not to mention the Greek professor that sometimes tutors me who stated that this verb can equally mean "preach").


So, you can stubbornly deny the facts until doomsday - won't make it go away! Yes, the Bible clearly says that women are not to "teach-preach" to men in the church. It's like a defiant child staring at the crystal-blue sky & arguing that no "proof" has been offered that the sky is blue .

Excellent!

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by Sasha

And once again, you speak out of both sides of your mouth. It seems to be a matter of semantics, really. You say women can't teach, but they can witness, which is really teaching, you just call it something else to prove your point. Women can teach men as long as they don't do it behind a pulpit (something Paul NEVER said), women teaching men is usurping their authority (something else Paul NEVER said), and 'usurping authority' can be passively done.

Let's look at the definition, shall we?


u·surp
[yoo-surp, -zurp]
verb (used with object)
1.
to seize and hold (a position, office, power, etc.) by force or without legal right: The pretender tried to usurp the throne.
2.
to use without authority or right; employ wrongfully: The magazine usurped copyrighted material.
verb (used without object)
3.
to commit forcible or illegal seizure of an office, power, etc.; encroach.

Remember, we are talking about a woman simply teaching a man something. It's impossible for anyone to have authority over you in a teaching capacity without your permission. Impossible.

If you don't want to be taught anything by a woman, that's your right (although I'm not sure how you can have a successful and peaceful marriage if you don't allow your wife to teach you anything because you believe that in doing so, she is usurping your authority), and you can leave at any time, but if you choose to stay, there is no usurpation of authority taking place. You allow her that authority because you want to be taught.

In spite of what you think Paul was saying, there is nothing wrong with a man being taught anything by a woman, whether or not it's his wife or mother. I teach men things all the time. No, I'm not behind a pulpit nor do I have to be, but if they want to know something that I know, they need to listen. If they choose not to, that's their right, but they can't complain later and have no one else to blame.

Taking a verse out of context and believing that women shouldn't teach men because Jezebel incorrectly taught men is no different than believing black men should remain slaves because Philemon was one.

Funny...women can lead a church into song, she just can't speak it without music or she's 'usurping authority' over every man in the audience.

Seriously?

Strong's definition??? You apparently do not know who Kittle is. He was a Greek scholar who wrote VOLUMES on the Greek language both within scripture and the classic world around. He studied its usage throughout the empire and goes far beyond a simple Strong's definition where you pick and choose definition based upon your own predilection instead of the context.

Here is a link where you can view a little about Kittle:
http://www.amazon.com/Theological-Di.../dp/0802823246

Once again...

Everyone should witness. What is so hard to understand the difference between witnessing and feeding God's flock?

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by Sasha

What I'm doing is acting like a man? I know you were attempting to be degrading to me, but comparing me to acting like a man is actually degrading to men, isn't it?

You made a comment something to the effect of why don't men have time to do other things than to attempt to stop women from preaching.

My statement was in that same vein. Women trying to be bishops, clearly a man's role biblically, is nothing more than a woman trying to be a man. I have a responsibility to stand for truth.

Also, you must have missed it where I posted twice that I could really care less if a woman is behind a pulpit or not. There is to much work to do for me to be to worried about them. However, since the subject came up I will defend the truth.