End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11

[Sister Alvear]

If not mistaken Sister Holland also preached for us....

[Sister Alvear]

I would be lost without Brother Alvear he is such a man of God and such a gentleman...His walk with God is so anointed and he is so intelligent...I study and study and study some more foreign languages and he just picks them up so fast...

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

When I was growing up Brother AO Holmes had a woman preach his campmeeting...I cannot remember if it was every night or one night of it...lol...Brother Scheel would know...

In my experience, even ministers who opposed women as pastors would occasionally allow a woman to speak. My own father did that a few times.

My problem with this debate is that the "silence in the church" is usually only taken literally in reference to preaching, when in fact, Paul specifically mentioned teaching and nothing else. The same people who oppose women preaching are often fine with them singing, testifying, prophesying or teaching Sunday School classes. That's inconsistent.

If they are going to take the passage literally, it should be to ban women from teaching positions--but not from preaching, prophesying, evangelizing or prophesying. The "usurp authority" part is not a problem, because as long as you aren't acting on your own authority, you aren't out of line with that part of the scripture. It's the "silence" part of the passage that is problematic.

I have difficulty taking anyone seriously if they don't first apply their own interpretations and line of logic consistently.

[Sister Alvear]

I remember hearing Nona Freeman at the UPC church (in fact my pastor took us kids to hear her) when we were young...she was an awesome lady...

I have seen women get out of their place but a godly woman will respect the pastor and usually missionaries just tell missionary stories... most people love to hear what God is doing on the foreign field... However on the same note I have seen men get out of their place too...

[Esther]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

In my experience, even ministers who opposed women as pastors would occasionally allow a woman to speak. My own father did that a few times.

My problem with this debate is that the "silence in the church" is usually only taken literally in reference to preaching, when in fact, Paul specifically mentioned teaching and nothing else. The same people who oppose women preaching are often fine with them singing, testifying, prophesying or teaching Sunday School classes. That's inconsistent.

If they are going to take the passage literally, it should be to ban women from teaching positions--but not from preaching, prophesying, evangelizing or prophesying. The "usurp authority" part is not a problem, because as long as you aren't acting on your own authority, you aren't out of line with that part of the scripture. It's the "silence" part of the passage that is problematic.

I have difficulty taking anyone seriously if they don't first apply their own interpretations and line of logic consistently.

[Esther]

Originally Posted by Pliny

Doesn't matter because if there are not any save those called by Jesus then there are no women among them. If there are women could not be qualified inasmuch as they cannot be qualified to be an elder. Therefore, it is a straw-man argument and fails the logic test.

You are too hung up on women, the question was not in reference to women but whether you believe in Apostles and Prophets in today's time? Simple question really.

[Sasha]

Some speak of the '5 fold ministry', meaning a verse that mentions apostles, teachers, prophets...

Those same people will speak about all of them in the same light in regard to qualifications as in an office. The Bible doesn't mention such qualifications, however.

Apostles are 'those who are sent'. It's not referring to only males but a generic term for messengers, so to speak. Some apostles preached, some performed miracles, but all were sent.

There are many women Paul speaks of as being fellow laborers. We can only assume what he means by that and we might all be correct about some of them, but Paul mentions one particular woman that even the smartest Biblical scholars admit might have been an apostle.

Junia.

Junia is referred to as being highly regarded among the apostles. She was also imprisoned with Paul. Unless you think they imprisoned her for her cooking, you have to admit her sharing the gospel to others with Paul might have placed her there along with him and others.

I find it odd that when it comes to men in the Bible, we have no problem believing what we want about what they did in the Biblical times even when Bible doesn't specifically state such, but when it comes to women, we want absolutes. Barnabus is noted as a fellow apostle yet there are no verses stating he preached or did miracles as Paul did. There are many men Paul mentions and we believe he mentions them not because they were excellent waiters or great taxi drivers but because they were people who aided him in his ministry and worked beside him to bring the gospel to the world as he knew it.

Whether Junia preached or not isn't the point I'm making, especially since there isn't a single person here who can even agree on what the definition really is. I just find it interesting that if Paul thought women had to be silent and not teach, how those women could have been working along side of him, not merely cooking his meals or ironing his robe.

[RJR]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

If Paul had meant 1 Timothy 2 to apply to women (or females) in general, there was clearly a way in Greek to have done so. But the fact that he deliberately chose words that primarily translate in the New Testament as “husband” and “wife” seems to indicate a restricted meaning and application in these passages.

Paul knew the greek language....just like I know Portuguese ...he knew who he was talking to...

Originally Posted by RJR

Sis Alvear, I have witnessed it is your style to make statements about a passage and when someone ask you a question or offers a rebuttal to your claims, you either completely ignore the question or rebuttal and come back with another post intended to elicit sympathy or change subjects.

I would like to ask you a question about 1 Tim 2. Is it speaking only of a husband and wife relationship and the home?

Originally Posted by RJR

Calling Sister Alvear.

Originally Posted by RJR

Sis Alvear, for the third time could you answer the question?

Sis Alvear, are you avoiding this? #4

[RJR]

Originally Posted by rdp

It is very likely that the earth will be reduced to ashes - & Lucifer will be converted before you get a direct & detailed (or any other) answer to this query !

I am beginning to believe this.

[Sister Alvear]

You seem to know greek does it say a woman or does it say gune (wife)

It is useless to discuss with you ... really a waste of my time ...and your time....we do not agree however I can live with that....