End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

He did not write that..he quoted it from a letter sent to him...

Oh my goodness - PLEASE tell us you're just kidding? We have shown this to be COMPLETELY FALSE over & over & over .



Sigh........

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Strong's Number: 2980
Original Word Word Origin
laleo a prolonged form of an otherwise obsolete verb
Transliterated Word TDNT Entry
Laleo 4:69,505
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
lal-eh'-o Verb
Definition
to utter a voice or emit a sound
to speak
to use the tongue or the faculty of speech
to utter articulate sounds
to talk
to utter, tell
to use words in order to declare one's mind and disclose one's thoughts
to speak

NAS Word Usage - Total: 299
made 1, proclaiming 1, said 6, say 5, saying 7, says 2, speak 95, speak forth 1, speaking 54, speaks 25, spoke 44, spoken 38, stating 1, talked 1, talking 5, tell 1, telling 1, things spoken 2, told 7, uttered 1, whispered* 1

Kinda' left out the definition & translation of "PREACH" didn't ya' ?

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

And besides that it says nothing about preaching....

Yes if does - you simply omitted it - Geeeee, imagine that ?!

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sasha

Again, what do your female Sunday School teachers teach those children?

The Greek nouns translated "man" & "woman" mean "ADULT" men & women. Did you not see the email from Dr. Daniel Wallace??


Nice try though (like we've never heard that) !

[Sasha]

Originally Posted by rdp

Kinda' left out the definition & translation of "PREACH" didn't ya' ?






Yes if does - you simply omitted it - Geeeee, imagine that ?!

I don't think she omitted it but looked it up under the NAS version. I looked it up under the KJV and that word is used for 'preach' only 6 times in the NT. Strangely enough, 'preach' isn't the transliterated word King James used for Paul's writings in the verse you quote above. Sis. Alvear didn't omit 'preach'. King James did. You should have been born 500 years ago so you could have been there to correct him.

[Sasha]

Originally Posted by rdp

The Greek nouns translated "man" & "woman" mean "ADULT" men & women. Did you not see the email from Dr. Daniel Wallace??


Nice try though (like we've never heard that) !

You are the one who said women are not to teach, not that women are not to teach adults. Adding to what Paul said? Remember, YOU are the one screaming in big letters over and over that Paul said women are not to teach or preach, period!

Are you saying the God would have a woman teach a child but not an adult? Are you serious? What in the world was God thinking when He made women judges over His people???

[RJR]

Originally Posted by Sasha

You are the one who said women are not to teach, not that women are not to teach adults. Adding to what Paul said? Remember, YOU are the one screaming in big letters over and over that Paul said women are not to teach or preach, period!

Are you saying the God would have a woman teach a child but not an adult? Are you serious? What in the world was God thinking when He made women judges over His people???

Yes, they are not to teach in the church. IF 1 Tim 2 refers to the home you have just expanded the silence to the home and she cannot obey the injunction of 1 Cor 14:35 by asking her husband at home. So know the prohibition does not just pertain to the church it involves the home, and she cannot express her opinion to her husband. Is that what you are inviting?

By the way ask is not simply form a question it is 1) to accost one with an enquiry, put a question to, enquiry of, ask, interrogate 2) to address one with a request or demand 2a) to ask of or demand of or Part of Speech: verb.

You might say that is quite strong of ask, it is the strength of such an opinion that would cause a woman to attempt to teach to begin with. Yes, it is that strength of opinion that exercises authority. just as we are witnessing on this thread, it would take place at church also. Just et someone get up and read 1 Cor 14:35 and 1 Tim 2:12 and give its definition BIBLICALLY, and most of the participating women on this form would violate both passages.

Women can teach younger women, can guide the home, cannot teach in the church or exercise authority over the man.


Tit 2:3 The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;
Tit 2:4 That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,

1Tim 5:14 ..I will therefore that the younger women marry, bear children, guide the house, give none occasion to the adversary to speak reproachfully.

1Co 14:35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

1Ti 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

Isa 3:12 As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths.

Are you folks saying judges were the same as called preachers? That is like saying a president is the same as a Bishop.

Pro 21:1 The king's heart is in the hand of the LORD, as the rivers of water: he turneth it whithersoever he will.

Psa 75:6 For promotion cometh neither from the east, nor from the west, nor from the south.
Psa 75:7 But God is the judge: he putteth down one, and setteth up another.

Want Sampson as your presbyter? He is in Heb 11:32? God spoke to a man through a donkey, and it even spake with a man's voice, but it doesn't make him a man of God.

[RJR]

Originally Posted by Sasha

I think you misread me. I said I don't believe teaching is preaching, so no, teaching your co-worker doesn't make you a preacher.

However, I don't believe it's possible to preach without teaching. What's the purpose of preaching if nobody is learning anything from what you are preaching about?

So Sasha, you are saying... one cannot preach without teaching, but they can teach without preaching. The conclusion is preaching can bleed over into teaching but teaching cannot bleed over into preaching. I am sure no one will ever confuse that distinction.

Better tell those women preachers that!

[RJR]

Originally Posted by Sasha

Actually, I read about a dozen or so. So you found one that agrees with you? Big deal. I read far more that don't. I'm not arguing over which scholar is more accurate, I just find it interesting that a woman is mentioned at all if she wasn't important enough. Certainly being a mere servant isn't that noteworthy, is it?

This was what I was responding to! You said a mere servant isn't that noteworthy, is it? I responded those who SERVED tables so the Apostles who gave themselves to prayer and the ministry of the word were noteworthy. Full of the HG and wisdom and of honest report. Yes, men and women who serve are noteworthy. The discussion revolves around HOW they serve. I see where women MINISTERED (deacon) unto him of their substance, Luke 8:3. They wasn't preaching they were serving!

Originally Posted by Sasha

I'm missing your point here. I don't see any women mentioned in Acts 6, and I have no idea what you mean by those waiting tables being mentioned as I don't see that, nor do I understand what point is to be made by such mention.

Again, I don't see your point...

Hope that clears it up.

[Sister Alvear]

Men waited the tables...

[Sasha]

Originally Posted by RJR

Yes, they are not to teach in the church. IF 1 Tim 2 refers to the home you have just expanded the silence to the home and she cannot obey the injunction of 1 Cor 14:35 by asking her husband at home. So know the prohibition does not just pertain to the church it involves the home, and she cannot express her opinion to her husband. Is that what you are inviting?

You do know that the opposite of church isn't home, right? There are lots more places for a person to be than at home or at church. That being said, Paul didn't mention that women are not to teach in a church. If so, then Sunday School teachers everywhere are in error, since they teach in a church. And I never mentioned anything about home.

By the way ask is not simply form a question it is 1) to accost one with an enquiry, put a question to, enquiry of, ask, interrogate 2) to address one with a request or demand 2a) to ask of or demand of or Part of Speech: verb.

You might say that is quite strong of ask, it is the strength of such an opinion that would cause a woman to attempt to teach to begin with. Yes, it is that strength of opinion that exercises authority. just as we are witnessing on this thread, it would take place at church also. Just et someone get up and read 1 Cor 14:35 and 1 Tim 2:12 and give its definition BIBLICALLY, and most of the participating women on this form would violate both passages.

Women can teach younger women, can guide the home, cannot teach in the church or exercise authority over the man.


Tit 2:3 The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;
Tit 2:4 That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,

1Tim 5:14 ..I will therefore that the younger women marry, bear children, guide the house, give none occasion to the adversary to speak reproachfully.

1Co 14:35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

1Ti 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

Isa 3:12 As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths.

Again, Sunday School teachers everywhere are in error, according to what you are saying.

Are you folks saying judges were the same as called preachers? That is like saying a president is the same as a Bishop.

No, I'm speaking about authority. The president has authority over you. A judge has authority over you. That doesn't mean I'm saying a judge is a president.

Pro 21:1 The king's heart is in the hand of the LORD, as the rivers of water: he turneth it whithersoever he will.

Psa 75:6 For promotion cometh neither from the east, nor from the west, nor from the south.
Psa 75:7 But God is the judge: he putteth down one, and setteth up another.

Want Sampson as your presbyter? He is in Heb 11:32? God spoke to a man through a donkey, and it even spake with a man's voice, but it doesn't make him a man of God.

This has nothing to do with the discussion anymore than bringing up the burning bush God spoke through. God speaks through us all, male and female, that doesn't make us comparable to a donkey or a bush.