End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11

[RJR]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Well we finally arrived and I arrived very sick but to keep my word at least in part as I don't feel good at this moment.

The reason I mentioned age is that I remembered in the Jewish history class I teach that boys were considered men...Here is what we have learned...Around the age of 12, the boys were given special classes at local synagogues to read and write Scripture especially in view of the Bar Mitzwah ceremony. This right made them certified mature Jews with specific rights and duties which woman could not have.

So if they were considered a man at 12 then we have a woman teaching a man...remember we are dealing with the jewish culture not the American culture.


In Paul's letter to Timothy (II Timothy 1:5) he tells us that the apostle Timothy followed the faith of his grandmother Lois and his mother Eunice. Chapter 3:15 tells us that from childhood Timothy had learned the sacred Scriptures. Timothy's mother was Jewish, but his father was a Gentile. We may infer that Lois and Eunice taught Timothy the Scriptures, introduced him to Jesus, and brought him up in the faith. Evidently they did a good job, for Timothy became Paul's closest assistant, accompanying him on his missionary travels and eventually becoming bishop of Ephesus according to church history.
Joel's prophecy that "Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy." A study of the ministry of Biblical prophets shows that prophecy was not limited to telling future events, but also included expounding God's Word and exhorting His people to turn to God and repent. So, for women to prophesy necessarily means that they preach and teach God's Word under His authority.

Remember you have agreed that a woman can prophecy...Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.

2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

3 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.

4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.

5 I would that ye all spake with tongues but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

The Bible tells us that EVERYONE who DOES prophesy speaks to men for their strengthening, encouragement and comfort" and "builds up the church." So everyone who prophesies speaks to MEN. Therefore, if women do prophesy, then they do speak to men for their building up, strengthening, and encouragement. EVERYONE who prophesies does so "so that all (including MEN) may learn and all may be comforted. Thus, the teaching function is inherent in prophecy." (vss 29-31) So if women do prophesy, that involves their teaching men because EVERYONE who prophesies teaches men. And I have shown you over and over again where in both the Old and New Testament that women prophesy.

I am not saying that women should in a general sense be over men however I am saying God has used and uses women to speak to men.

It would be wrong for me to let a dying man die without Christ and me not speak to him because he is a man...That would be against all the teachings of the NT.

I am NOT parading manly women...God forbid...neither sissy men....I have NO problem Brother Alvear leading the way for us and for thousands of precious souls. Speaking of my husband I saw him sit a woman down...however I have seen him sit men down too!

I am saying ladies such as Sister Agnes Holmes, Sister Nona Freeman, Sister Bobbie Wendell, Sister Mary Williams, sister Rita Dawson and others were called and led the way to heaven for many people. I am thinking of Pastor Siscel from the state of Washington that walked in off the street a hippe and received the Holy Ghost while Sister Holmes was preaching in Mississippi...

I honor these great women.... that have worked the fields...

You did notice Sis Alvear, it was from a CHILD that Timothy had known the Holy Scriptures? Clearly, your earlier attempt to assert that they waited until he was a man was misguided. 2 Tim 3:15.

Dont forget 1 Cor 14:34-35 modifies how a woman can speak, just as verse 28 modifies how a man can speak. Of course verse 26 lets us know how all the church could and did participate, Paul does not conclude this letter without adding some injunctions to both men and women and their participation in the gifts of the Spirit described in this chapter. he also forbids women to speak and in 1 Tim 2 forbids them to teach.

[Sister Alvear]

1 Cor 14:29-31 clearly says that when prophets prophesy it is so that "ALL (doesn't ALL include MEN?) may LEARN." So unless you can prove that women are not prophets (that they are not allowed to prophesy) then you can't rule out women teaching men.

[RJR]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

1 Cor 14:29-31 clearly says that when prophets prophesy it is so that "ALL (doesn't ALL include MEN?) may LEARN." So unless you can prove that women are not prophets (that they are not allowed to prophesy) then you can't rule out women teaching men.

1 Cor 14:29-31 is indeed followed by verses 34-35. One is not at the expense of the other. A woman may indeed prophesy, speak with tongues, interpret, pray, but she cannot teach, as in it is not permitted, (in the sense of preaching as the term is so used 6 times in scripture) because that would require her to usurp authority over the man, 1 Tim 2:12.

I don't know how much clearer it could be. Obviously you are trying to force your interpretation into the terms used, and the clear prohibition and its counterpart as well as all the glaring facts of no women bishops, elders, evangelist, priest, apostles chosen by The Lord, qualifications for deacons...clearly stands in opposition to your interpretation.

One question since you interpret prophesy to preach and according to 1 Cor 14 anyone in the church could be used in the gift, do you let anyone in Brazil who claims the Holy Ghost to go to the pulpit, if they would so choose, to preach to the rest of the room full of preachers, and a perhaps some sinners?

[Sasha]

Originally Posted by RJR

Ladies and gentleman, please delete all occasions of Jesus name baptism in your Bibles, go out and buy some snakes, and subscribe to the serpent seed doctrine, while Sashha tries to find missionary, and then to double her jeopardy, she is going too try to find a female missionary in the Bible.

Is this the same woman who needed to have "specifics in scripture so we would not subscribe to serpent seed, snake handling, and no Jesus name baptism."

I see her requirements are only for others, however she did try to explain away the direct quote from scripture, its usage in other places, and its definitions from the Greek, as well as the glaring facts of no woman evangelist, missionary, priest, apostle chosen by Christ, qualifications for female bishops or deacons.

Nice way to incorectly summarize my posts. Have a nice day.

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

It is one thing to generalize another thing to call a person or his writings stupid...

Oh brother... Here we go again with emotional claptrap. First no one called you stupid. Your posts were said to be stupid. Big difference.

For example it was said here:

Originally Posted by Pliny

Stupid post...

Found here:
http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...87#post1303987


BTW here are some more definitions for the word "stupid""
2. characterized by or proceeding from mental dullness; foolish; senseless: a stupid question.
3. tediously dull, especially due to lack of meaning or sense; inane; pointless: a stupid party.
4. annoying or irritating; troublesome: Turn off that stupid radio.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/stupid


Here is the post of yours that was responded to:

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

When Jesus said to Mary Magdalene, "'Go to My brethren and say to them, "I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God"'" (John 20:17), was He not affirming her as a witness of the gospel? Was He not commissioning her both to go and to speak for Him? Why then do we deny women the opportunity to carry this message?

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...15#post1303915


Here you are doing two things:
1) Trying to turn Mary Magdalene into a preacher.
2) Trying to say that I am denying women the right to carry the message.

First, Mary was not a preacher. She was simply witnessing to the resurrection. That is the context.
Second, it has been said multiple times that I and others believe and encourage women to witness and seek to be used in the gifts of the Spirit. Therefore, it is stupid (pointless, inane, senseless) to continue to try to paint me and others as trying to stop women from doing what we have stated multiple times as encouraging.

Sooo... Lets talk about your writings and the writings of some of your groupies.
You have implied that our ideas are "far out" and that we are "afraid a woman might win a soul" in spite of the multiple times we have affirmed the opposite. Here is your quote:

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

some people have such far out ideas....they are so afriad a woman might win a soul...

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...38#post1300338


You have said that the "anti's" need to go back to Calvary and watch him die". Here is your quote:

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

tonight Bro. Alvear and I have been asked to be speakers at a marriage seminar...so the anti's would have a problem with that too.....
I have no problem with helping anyone...be it woman or man....black or white, rich or poor...
If you have a problem with a woman helping a soul you need to go back to Calvary and watch Him die...

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...09#post1300709


The worst part of this is it also attacks every minister that is an "anti" thus is a breach of Ministerial ethics to tell saints on a public forum their pastor needs a trip to Calvary if they teach against women preachers.


You have also stated that we would rather someone go to hell than have a woman witness to them. Again in spite of the multitudes of times we have stated we encourage women to witness and be used in the gifts of the Spirit.

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

sad that there are those that had rather someone not hear of Jesus than for a woman to tell them...

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...08#post1301608


You have also implied we are lord's over God's heritage:

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

The church and the home are two seperate things. Of course authoritu to some of our friends only means LORDS over God's heritage!

Deborah judged both men and women. Phoebe was a Spiritual intity in Paul's life Romans 16:1

Aquila AND Priscilla taught a man (Apollos). Half of the ministers Paul recognized in Romans 16 were women!

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...65#post1301865



You even stated you "doubted" we would listen to a woman prophecy when we have said it over and over that we encourage women witnessing and being used in the gifts of the Spirit.

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

doubt if some of these would even stop to listen to a woman Prophecying....

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...98#post1302598


Your groupies have even said:

Originally Posted by Esther

In my opinion men who have an issue with women trying to save souls do not have a burden for the lost.

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...47#post1301647

Originally Posted by Esther

Very sad, but I can assure you they are not men of prayer. God is not double minded. He will not call you to minister and go against His Word. If they spent time in prayer with a sincere heart for truth they would see God calls men, women and even some children.

What did Jesus say pray for? Labors. Don't remember Him saying "men" labors.

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...45#post1301645

Originally Posted by Roxanne Murphy

Good luck getting an honest answer because the only honest answer exposes the hypocrisy and the almost misogynist mindset that permeates the anti-woman preacher theology.

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...68#post1302468


And many other quotes I could give. I think the point has been made.

As mentioned so many times:

Originally Posted by Pliny

This fundamental lack of knowledge has been seen consistently over and over in spite of the many times it has been said that women should witness and seek to be used in the gifts of the Spirit yet still there remains a stubborn willful ignorance to the facts. We even saw earlier where she made up her own facts that are patently false - the idea that Paul would never quote from the Talmud or the writer of Corinthians was quoting the Talmud (something to that effect) is patently false because the Talmud, specifically the Mishna was not began until the end of the 2nd century or the early third century.

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...50#post1301550

Originally Posted by Pliny

One more time. All should witness, all should seek to be used of God and everyone has a place in the kingdom of God. Men are not any better than women and there is nothing more beautiful than a godly woman. Likewise, there is nothing more ugly than a woman trying to be a man or vice versa. There is a created order. Man was created first. The woman was deceived not the man. These are the arguments of Paul. The Elders, men, are tasked with feeding the flock of God - a bishop must be the husband of one wife.

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...76#post1301576

Originally Posted by Pliny

Object lesson once again. Everyone should be encouraged to witness and be used in the gifts of the Spirit. Only men, and few of them, are called to be bishops/elders feeding the flock of God.

You just cannot seem to understand fundamental concepts which is an object lesson as to why women should not teach or preach - to act as bishops/elders.

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...77#post1301577

Originally Posted by Pliny

Once again...
Everyone should witness and seek to be used in the gifts of the Spirit. The leading of the church, the teaching and preaching - feeding God's flock is the role of a man. The fact that so many women cannot understand that basic fundamental fact is an object lesson in why women should not be allowed to do so. The feeding of the flock is to the elders (Acts 20:17; 28). These elders are the bishops that were the husbands of one wife.

To take this logic would mean that no one needs a shepherd because they can all teach some body some thing. It is this spirit precisely that Got Miriam and Aaron into trouble.

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...79#post1301579


Edited to add:
Take the beam out of your own eye before trying to take the splinter out of mine...

[RJR]

Sis Alvear, if 1 Cor 14 is qualifications for the ministry, there is no need for any qualifications given elsewhere in the Bible. Everyone in the church is ordained, appointed, called, sent, set, a preacher in the church. I guess since we are all preachers, can we choose whether we are apostles, or a prophet, evangelist, pastor or teacher?

[Sasha]

Pliny, do you have an issue with women trying to save souls? This is just a question.

[RJR]

Originally Posted by Sasha

Nice way to incorectly summarize my posts. Have a nice day.

I will do my best to have a nice day. Remember to not force on others the very thing you try to avoid yourself. You were the one who implied a lack of specifics gave way to the false doctrines you proffered. When I asked for specifics to your claims you said you and yours did not need specifics.

[navygoat1998]

I think women folk should be regulated to the nursery and getting the men folk our coffee, what say ye????

[Disciple4life]

Usually when you go to a job you have to plead and kick and scream to get you fellow coworkers to do any work. With women preachers nobody wants them to work. How ironic it this?