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How does Acts 19:1-2 show the Holy Ghost as being "subsequent" to salvation? Obviously, he didn't deem them to be saved without it.
How is that "obvious"? He called them disciples. Said they believed.
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How is that "obvious"? He called them disciples. Said they believed.
Joh 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
Joh 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

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Joh 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
Joh 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
Exactly. I have rarely seen a promise that didn't have an "if" to go with it. There are conditional promises in the Bible. Nothing is free in life.
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Exactly. I have rarely seen a promise that didn't have an "if" to go with it. There are conditional promises in the Bible. Nothing is free in life.
Were they disciples, in Acts 19:1?
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Were they disciples, in Acts 19:1?
Yes, they were disciples, i.e., "learners"; "pupils" as the early church was being established.

We don't exclude anyone in our congregation knowing they have not received the Holy Ghost, but we certainly don't teach that it is not necessary for salvation and only an empowerment. It is both as you cannot dismiss Romans 8:9. And as there is no supportive scripture that the Holy Ghost is evidenced by anything other than speaking in tongues (Acts 2:33), I take Romans 8:9 very seriously, as seriously as I do repentance and baptism.

And finding certain disciples - Certain persons who had been baptized into John’s baptism, and who had embraced John’s doctrine that the Messiah was soon to appear, Acts . Act_19:3-4. It is very clear that they had not yet heard that he had come, or that the Holy Spirit was given. They were evidently in the same situation as Apollos. See the notes on Act_18:25. - Barnes

finding certain disciples — in the same stage of Christian knowledge as Apollos at first, newly arrived, probably, and having had no communication as yet with the church at Ephesus. - JFB
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