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03-10-2014, 02:33 PM
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Re: Is This True?
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If this is the case, one would have to reject the words of Jesus (as well as the words of many of the Apostles), correct Martha's answer and expectations concerning Jesus, and offer eternal life by some other means than "whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die". In other words, Jesus' salvation message, and promise of eternal life, was for just for a very very very short time period and was to be replaced by yet another message which resulted in eternal life for an individual. One cannot accept Jesus' words to Martha today and expect eternal life would be the result of following Him.
Within oneness Pentecostalism, dependent upon the teacher being a one stepper or a three stepper, certain salvation scriptures are offered as support for their salvation theology. So it is here.
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It appears it would be to your advantage to take a lesson of Bible believing. Bible faith is obedience not just a acknowledgement. Not only is believe and obedience used interchangeably in Rom 10:16, but is also evident by the scriptures involving John's baptism. Notice Mat. 21:25, how was it known they did not believe John's baptism was from heaven? Because they were not baptized, Luke 7:28-29. When one believes they will obey! Salvation is absolutely, positively NOT possible without obedience. Heb. 5:9, 2The 1:8, 1Pet 1:22, Acts 5:32, 1Pet 4:17. Faith is a persuasion and confidence and reliance in the immutability of the Word of God. When one believes they will gladly comply.
It also seems you are having difficulty accepting exactly what Jesus said in Luke 24:46-47, and that is it took Calvary for repentance and remission of sins to be preached in His name BEGINNING at Jerusalem. Did it begin at Jerusalem or not? Peter when giving witness to the authenticity of Cornelius experience stated its validity was predicated on the fact that Cornelius received it just as they had at the BEGINNING, Acts 11:14-17.
Heb. 5:16-19 lets us know that it takes death in order for a testament to be in force. Jesus was speaking in the future tense when he said upon this rock, I WILL build my church. The church is not spoken of in the present tense in the gospels. However, by the time you get to Acts 2:47, it is at that time not something he would build but rather something he was adding to.
In the OT they had to obey its prescription to be saved, obedience is required in every Biblical era. Again, one will not be, neither ever shall be, able to be saved without obedience.
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03-10-2014, 04:02 PM
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Re: Is This True?
Bible Believing & Its Evidence!
Belief: (Merriam-Webster dictionary) conviction of the truth of some statement or the reality of some being or phenomenon especially when based on examination of evidence.
Heb. 11:6 must (necessary, binding), faith or believing (derivative of the same greek word) is necessary in coming to God, without faith or believing it is impossible to please God.
John 8:31,32 believing on God & continuing in his word leads to dicipleship & knowing the truth. Obviously, it takes more than believing alone
James 2:19 if believing was all that was necessary the devil could be saved, we know this is not possible. ( Mat. 25:41, 2 Pet. 2:4 Jude vs.6). Read also James 2:14-26!
2 Thes. 1:7 it is essential for one to know & obey. ( Heb 5:9, Acts 5:32, Rom. 6:17)
Isaiah 53:1 & Rom 10:16 Bible believing necessitates more than acceptance or simple acknowledgement. It requires obedience!
Mark 16:16 believeth & is baptized shall be saved. (not believeth & is saved then baptized!)
John 7:37-39 believeth as scripture hath said you shall receive the Holy Ghost!
Acts 19: 1-6 have you received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? How were you baptized?
John 3:5-7 ye must be born again! (Comprised of water & spirit)!
Acts 2:38
Examples: Acts 16:25-34 believing & baptized (Jailor)
Acts 8:26-39 believed with all his heart & was baptized. (Ethiopian eunuch)
Acts 10 (Cornelius) believed even received the Holy Ghost (spirit & water are both essential in new birth) yet was not considered saved until he obeyed what Peter told him that he MUST do! Acts 11:14-17.
Acts 9:3-10, Acts 22:12-16 Saul (name changed to Paul) repented, yet did not have his sins washed away until he was baptized. (yes, he did receive the Holy Ghost)
Mat. 7:21-23 is it possible to profess Christ, preach his name, yet be lost if you do not obey the gospel?
Please consider:
Eph. 2:8,9 not of yourselves does not exclude yourselves! Grace is God's provision, faith is mans provision! Rom 10:9-15 who saves? (God) who believes, confesseth & calls? (man)
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03-10-2014, 06:44 PM
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Re: Is This True?
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It appears it would be to your advantage to take a lesson of Bible believing.
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Ok, let's start the process of personal insults. That should be very productive.
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03-10-2014, 06:50 PM
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Re: Is This True?
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Ok, let's start the process of personal insults. That should be very productive. 
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That was not intended as an insult, I say that with sincerity. When one makes assertions on a public forum, it should not be a surprise when they are challenged. It may be a little hurtful to you, but I am left with no other option based on what you have posted concerning believing.
I will again affirm, I am not interested in giving you any personal insult. If that was the way it came across I do apologize.
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03-10-2014, 06:58 PM
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Re: Is This True?
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That was not intended as an insult, I say that with sincerity. When one makes assertions on a public forum, it should not be a surprise when they are challenged. It may be a little hurtful to you, but I am left with no other option based on what you have posted concerning believing.
I will again affirm, I am not interested in giving you any personal insult. If that was the way it came across I do apologize.
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Your insinuation is that you believe the bible and I don't. Simple as that. You of course have a right to your view and your opinion. Just a suggestion though, if you wish to discuss views it would behoove you to simply address the issues, not your personal view of the person you're in a discussion with.
So, continue in your belief that anyone who disagrees with you or challenges your view doesn't know the bible, if that's what makes you feel better about yourself. For me, I'm simply not going to interact with that spirit.
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