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Originally Posted by justlookin
I asked you the same question for several posts now. I'll try once more.
Are you suggesting that Spirit birth doesn't produce a child of God without also the birth of water, i.e, baptism? If so, what does the birth of the Spirit produce, if not a child of God, and does your answer agree with Jesus teaching concerning Spirit birth?
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Answer: Cornelius would have been lost, as lost as two homosexual men kissing, without being baptized in Jesus name.
Acts 11:15, stated the angel had instructed him he had to do what Peter told him to be saved. If you would have answered one of my questions above, you would have to answer yes to the question "Did Peter command Cornelius to be baptized?" The Bible said Cornelius salvation was based upon doing what Peter said. Without doubt, God knew that Cornelius would comply based on the very fact Cornelius already had God's attention, thus the arrangement to have Peter go to his house, nothing doubting. However if the infilling of the Spirit is all there was to one's new birth why any further instructions? Baptism was not an added instruction to bring about any other additional virtue beyond one's new birth. There would be absolutely no need of baptism if your claim is valid. To command Cornelius to be baptized would be akin to asking Cornelius to go be born of his mother.
Acts 10:47, Peter said "can any man forbid water...And he commanded him to be baptized. He did not suggest, kindly encourage, it was an imperative. Why because it fits the pattern of water and spirit new birth,
John 3:5,
Acts 2:38,
Acts 8:15-16,
Acts 19:5-6,
Rom 6:3-4, 1 John 5:8!
Question: based on
1Jn 5:8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
Since there are three that bear witness in earth, the water, the Spirit, and the blood, and these three agree in
one. What do these three agree in, in other words what is the
one?
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