Acts 2:38 plus, plus, plus!!!

[Carl]

This is along the same subject Votive Soul was discussing on another thread about the parable of the tares. I always wondered if Jude 23 had a current application besides just the concept of saving others from the future flames of judgment. Looking forward to your ideas.

[chad87]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

Bro Aquila I believe you are right, we need to preach those things, however you must realize that most OP churches haven't got past the Acts 2:38 message, somehow they feel that if that verse is not mentioned, then it was not a good church service.

They would be severely disappointed with me since I have preached many sermons without ever mentioning Acts 2:38.

Lately I've come to notice that my church's sermons consist of Acts 2:38, dispensational eschatology, or the "come get your miracle" sermon. This is literally 90% of all sermons. Often there is a slight Word of Faith vibe in these sermons. It's embarassing how little is taught through the average UPC pulpit.

I gave this opinion to my wife a few weeks ago and you should have seen the disgust on her face.

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by chad87

Lately I've come to notice that my church's sermons consist of Acts 2:38, dispensational eschatology, or the "come get your miracle" sermon. This is literally 90% of all sermons. Often there is a slight Word of Faith vibe in these sermons. It's embarassing how little is taught through the average UPC pulpit.

I gave this opinion to my wife a few weeks ago and you should have seen the disgust on her face.

That is my point.
Do we eat the exact same meal every day?
hopefully not, for we need a variety of foods to keep healthy. When a person eats too much of the same food, eventually deficiency problems develop.

That is the problem with many OP people, their preachers feed them the same meal over and over again. No wonder so many of them are stunted in their spiritual growth.

I love beans, but I do not eat beans at every meal or even everyday.

[Luke]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

That is my point.
Do we eat the exact same meal every day?
hopefully not, for we need a variety of foods to keep healthy. When a person eats too much of the same food, eventually deficiency problems develop.

That is the problem with many OP people, their preachers feed them the same meal over and over again. No wonder so many of them are stunted in their spiritual growth.

I love beans, but I do not eat beans at every meal or even everyday.

A fact that i am sure make those around you very happy lol

Sorry i couldn't resist

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

Acts 2:38 is for salvation, that is it nothing else can be added to it.

The rest are instructions written for our growth, not for our salvation.
Salvation is one thing, growth is another thing.

Yeah but if you don't grow, you die.

Meaning, if you don't accept the cookie-cutter standards that are so important but yet different from church to church, then you are backsliding, already backslidden, rebelious, or never saved from the giddyup.

Been there, done that-- even passed judgment on others myself-- I have since repented of that.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Disciple4life

Seriously, this hasn't happened to nobody else?

It happened to me, down at the altar actually, of the church I used to attend. A brother who is dear to me, his wife a tremendous prayer warrior, tried to paint me in a corner about believing that people could be saved who had not "obeyed Acts 2:38".

After I told him that I don't believe that people will go to hell for not obeying Acts 2:38, he pretty much questioned my own salvation.

I don't say this sarcastically, but I know he honestly meant well, and that he wouldn't purposefully offend me. But for him, he was standing for truth and I wasn't.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

Even though people believe that you are going to hell if you don't believe in Acts 2:38, most won't openly condemn you, but.... it is still an unspoken understanding, that unless you are apostolic/AMF/UPCI through to the bone, complete with all the standards, there is a special place in hell reserved with your name on it... although most won't go so far to say that, but they do think it, and would say so, if questioned deeper about it.

Especially if they think they are sure of the company they are with at the time of the conversation.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

On principle, isn't this the case for every Christian denomination, though? Most believe that you must be saved or you will be lost, and they have various ideas about how one is saved. That isn't unique to Apostolics. Pretty much, if you believe you know what one must do to be "saved", then it follows that you also believe that if they do not do whatever it requires, they will be lost.

No this is not true.

Most other non-Apostolic Pentecostals I know of do not believe that non-tongue talkers will go to hell because they never spoke in tongues.

Baptist theology doesn't preclude Methodists from eternal life.

Does Church of Christ think their lack of music is a salvational issue for all others?

[justlookin]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Does Church of Christ think their lack of music is a salvational issue for all others?

I'm not sure, but wouldn't a Church of Christ person have the view that a non baptized person would be lost? Somewhere in the Church of Christ theology, as well as most other Christian denominations, there is a point of salvation and a point of damnation.

[Disciple4life]

My point is kind of being pushed to the side. Once you are obedient to get saved regardless of the standard you are saved. How do you add something to that standard? You don't, you don't add to scriptures.