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Old 04-10-2014, 08:28 AM
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Sure God has some things planned ahead. But predestination precludes some from ever having a chance to be saved.
On the surface, this sounds logical. However, if one really evaluates the Armenian position, they run into the very same problem. You see, let’s assume that God desires that all be saved, and that all have an equal ability to be saved… not all have equal opportunity. For, countless billions have still never heard the Gospel. Could one charge God as being “unfair” in that He created one in the womb of a woman who lives in the heart of some foreign country wherein the pure Gospel of Jesus hasn’t been preached??? In striving to make God seem “fair”… one still must grapple with the reality that God hasn’t been fair in creating so many so far from an opportunity to be saved.

Also, if some things are predestined (planned ahead), how can they happen if everyone is chaotically doing as they wish? And if one has absolute free will… what if they make a choice other than the choice that will facilitate God’s plan? What if Judas decided not to betray Jesus? What if Paul decided not to heed the Lord when He appeared on the road to Damascus? Notice… God impresses His will on the human soul to achieve His sovereign will… even if it means giving one over to Satan himself… or knocking someone off a horse and blinding them to get them to bend the knee and stop kicking against the pricks (surrender).

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God is not willing that any should perish.
Agreed, but He knows the reality that should He not act to save an elect remnant in accordance to His grace, all would be lost. And so, God has determined from eternity to save that elect body.

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God does not have to have a complete blueprint with total control to be sovereign.
Perhaps not your God. Ah… but mine is in control of everything. He holds the reigns that govern the hearts of kings and nations. The sun shines, because He wills it to do so. The atoms form molecules and hold their form because He wills them to. Even the blade of grass bends with the wind because He has willed it to be so by permission or determination. Sovereign. Holy. GOD.
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Old 04-10-2014, 08:47 AM
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I think we have propagated a myth.
I agree.
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I always hear men talk about various topics and then they insert the phrase, “…and because God is a gentleman…”. Really? He deep fried Sodom and Gomorrah. He drowned the entire Egyptian army. He commanded Israel to eradicate the Canaanites. He struck Uriah dead for touching the ark.
That was Uzzah. Uriah was a "Heep".
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He sent plagues that decimated men, women, children, cattle, etc. He interrupted a false prophet by sending an angel bearing the sword to terrify the wayward prophet’s donkey. He took entire nations and dragged them upon the nation of Israel with “hooks in their jaws”. He flooded an entire planet of demonized hedonists. While flailing strips of leather, he flipped tables and drove money changers out of the temple. He struck Ananias and Sepphirah dead for lying. He knocked Saul off his horse and blinded him to force him to surrender and get with the destiny God had preplanned for him from before creation. Through Paul he cursed a sorcerer to blindness. And… He’s coming back in Christ Jesus with the Holy Angels in flaming fire of vengeance against His enemies. He doesn’t sound much like a “gentle” anything to me. He sounds like a GOD who knows who He is and means business. It’s a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God who DEMANDS to be recognized as sovereign LORD, SAVIOR, and CREATOR. You’ll not find a single human will that successfully withstood His sovereign will and power in the entire Bible.

Bro… you better choose what He has chosen to be… or else. The elect discover this quickly and surrender to it.
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Old 04-10-2014, 08:57 AM
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I agree. That was Uzzah. Uriah was a "Heep".
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Old 04-10-2014, 09:34 AM
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By the way, I ever tell you guys about Benny Hinn's brother's take on Uzzah? Think so. But here it is again.

Benny was interviewing his brother (forget his name, sorry), and the brother apparently has a "teaching" on Uzzah. You see, God didn't kill Uzzah. Nope. What killed Uzzah? It was "the glory". Yep. The glory killed Uzzah. Not God.

Benny was fascinated.

"And the anger of the Lord was kindled against Uzzah; and God smote him there for his error; and there he died by the ark of God." 2 Samuel 6:7

I guess this is one of those scriptures that don't mean what they say.
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Old 04-10-2014, 09:46 AM
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By the way, I ever tell you guys about Benny Hinn's brother's take on Uzzah? Think so. But here it is again.

Benny was interviewing his brother (forget his name, sorry), and the brother apparently has a "teaching" on Uzzah. You see, God didn't kill Uzzah. Nope. What killed Uzzah? It was "the glory". Yep. The glory killed Uzzah. Not God.

Benny was fascinated.

"And the anger of the Lord was kindled against Uzzah; and God smote him there for his error; and there he died by the ark of God." 2 Samuel 6:7

I guess this is one of those scriptures that don't mean what they say.
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Old 04-10-2014, 09:50 AM
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I think we have propagated a myth. I always hear men talk about various topics and then they insert the phrase, “…and because God is a gentleman…”. Really? He deep fried Sodom and Gomorrah. He drowned the entire Egyptian army. He commanded Israel to eradicate the Canaanites. He struck Uzzah dead for touching the ark. He sent plagues that decimated men, women, children, cattle, etc. He interrupted a false prophet by sending an angel bearing the sword to terrify the wayward prophet’s donkey. He took entire nations and dragged them upon the nation of Israel with “hooks in their jaws”. He flooded an entire planet of demonized hedonists. While flailing strips of leather, he flipped tables and drove money changers out of the temple. He struck Ananias and Sepphirah dead for lying. He knocked Saul off his horse and blinded him to force him to surrender and get with the destiny God had preplanned for him from before creation. Through Paul he cursed a sorcerer to blindness. And… He’s coming back in Christ Jesus with the Holy Angels in flaming fire of vengeance against His enemies. He doesn’t sound much like a “gentle” anything to me. He sounds like a GOD who knows who He is and means business. It’s a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God who DEMANDS to be recognized as sovereign LORD, SAVIOR, and CREATOR. You’ll not find a single human will that successfully withstood His sovereign will and power in the entire Bible.

Bro… you better choose what He has chosen to be… or else. The elect discover this quickly and surrender to it.
You do understand that your last statement makes no sense in light of predestination? How can one do anything but surrender to the will of God? Predestination makes mankind like the air in a ballon. The air does not surrender to the ballon it simply goes in because there is nowhere else to go!

According to you all of those who suffered did not suffer because of what they chose rather they had no choice in the matter and therefore simply suffered because they were created to suffer!

As to not finding any example of people successfully going against the will of God in the bible i disagree. What about:

Proverbs 1:24 Because I have called, and ye refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded;

25 But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof:

26 I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh;

27 When your fear cometh as desolation, and your destruction cometh as a whirlwind; when distress and anguish cometh upon you.

28 Then shall they call upon me, but I will not answer; they shall seek me early, but they shall not find me:

29 For that they hated knowledge, and did not choose the fear of the Lord:



Luke 13: 34 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee; how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen doth gather her brood under her wings, and ye would not!

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
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Old 04-10-2014, 09:51 AM
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By the way, I ever tell you guys about Benny Hinn's brother's take on Uzzah? Think so. But here it is again.

Benny was interviewing his brother (forget his name, sorry), and the brother apparently has a "teaching" on Uzzah. You see, God didn't kill Uzzah. Nope. What killed Uzzah? It was "the glory". Yep. The glory killed Uzzah. Not God.

Benny was fascinated.

"And the anger of the Lord was kindled against Uzzah; and God smote him there for his error; and there he died by the ark of God." 2 Samuel 6:7

I guess this is one of those scriptures that don't mean what they say.
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Old 04-10-2014, 10:37 AM
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Perhaps not your God.
Aquila, that is uncalled for. I've learned a lot on this forum during the years I've read your posts. We have the same God. You don't need to belittle me.
I've just recently begun to explore why I believe what I believe and have finally felt the liberty to question some things. I'm not as well read as others neither do I use big words like dichotomy or eschatology. I did not even get creative when choosing a "name" for this forum. I used one of my son's middle names. My real name is Bill.
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