Some Here Are Joking or Jesting over Scriptures?

[Dichotomy Girl]

Originally Posted by Miss Scarlett

Would this be Blaspheming the Holy Word of God.


I see so many on this forum who are making light of scripture, and joke about it and some don't even believe it is the word of God. Will God Forgive them?

I have tried to be part of this forum, but I have never felt a part of them and I guess this is the reason.

Sorry If I have offended you who are guilty of this, but I don't feel it is the right thing to do.

I thought the only unforgivable sin was blasphemy against the Holy Spirit?

I just got here today, so I know this isn't towards me. But I would totally be guilty in your eyes, as I don't think that the Bible is the WORD OF GOD. And where I might share my honest opinion that it's stories written by men ABOUT God, to you my opinion might be blasphemy.

However, back to my original point. By your own text, yes God will forgive them, because there is only one thing ever claimed to be unforgivable.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

Well, if you want to know my real name, I will tell you. My Profile picture is of my wife and I, who have been married for 34 years.

Challenging Ancient writings is not wrong, or as you say, wicked. In fact, it's just the opposite. IMO, God expects us to seek the truth, not some idea written by people we know nothing about during a time we know not of.

Do you realize that the New Testament wasn't written as you might suppose? For example, the 4 Gospels were not even written by Matthew, Mark, Luke, or John, and possibly after they were already dead (60-100 years A.D.).




I saw that on the history channel also my friend....I just thought to myself how can anyone on Gods green earth know when these books were written. They are not even dated...This is mere speculation by so called scholars that have set out to say the Bible is not the word of God. They are completely making stuff up with no evidence of half of their statements. But they are 'respected" because they are "PHDs"(the history channel is not on the side of the Bible at all folks, neither are these so called scholars)





Do you also understand that the New Testament is written in the common language of Rome, known as Greek? Have you ever studied the religious History of Rome and the idolatry they embrace in their Culture?




The New Testament was written by the Apostles, it was not tainted in any way, shape or form by Greek culture. The more you understand it, the more you realize it...




Most don't know this, either; the Book of Revelation was not added to the original Canon until the last decade of the 4th Century.





That has nothing to do with it not being the word of God, The newly formed catholic church merely collected these manuscripts to preserve them.






Christianity, as we know it, was delivered throughout Europe, and the then known World, via the Roman Catholic Church and during Romes push to dominate the Earth. Why do you think people fled England to the Americas (one reason)? The State Religion was, Catholic, and their Bible was the King James. They rebelled against Religion to pursue a different God than they were forced to accept.





My friend you are totally wrong, the King James Bible was a product of the REFORMATION. King James was a protestant and ordered it put together in the common English language for the first official English Bible. The Catholic kings and queens prior to James forbid the Bible to be printed in English.





Speaking of delusion, Jesus pointed out that the Religious were the blind hypocrites we were to look out for, not the doubting Thomas who wanted to know the facts.

You need to check your history and facts before you just throw out your ideas on this thread...you will get called on what you say here.....You can download a video called "the fobidden book" it is a must for every Christian or anyone to see. It will straighten out anyones history problems about how we got our English Bible ...it is awesome and it is only 1 hour long for the impatient folks!

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by Sean

You need to check your history and facts before you just throw out your ideas on this thread...you will get called on what you say here.....You can download a video called "the fobidden book" it is a must for every Christian or anyone to see. It will straighten out anyones history problems about how we got our English Bible ...it is awesome and it is only 1 hour long for the impatient folks!

Sean, if you want to do a formal debate, I'm ready. Anyone else on here that knows me, knows this, I don't just throw out information like you have.

Get called out on here?? HAHA! I've been on this Forum a little while. It doesn't hurt to check the status of a person before you throw out bogus information, which you in fact, you did.

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

Well Thomas was an Apostle, does it mean that he then became a blind hypocrite?

Your post is so full of holes, I don't know where to start. OK, I'll start with this; They don't know WHO wrote the 4 Gospels, AND, they don't have ONE original manuscript to verify who did. They are ALL copies, every last one.

Oh, and you really understand what it was like to live without electricity, cars, running water, and a civilization that didn't even know what a Bible is? This is a time you know not of, and Archaeology only proves our ignorance about a Culture that was bound by superstition and far fetched ideas that have no fact-based premise.

I guess you still believe the Sun revolves around the Earth.

Do some research before you throw out bogus information.

[Esther]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

Well, if you want to know my real name, I will tell you. My Profile picture is of my wife and I, who have been married for 34 years.

Challenging Ancient writings is not wrong, or as you say, wicked. In fact, it's just the opposite. IMO, God expects us to seek the truth, not some idea written by people we know nothing about during a time we know not of.

Do you realize that the New Testament wasn't written as you might suppose? For example, the 4 Gospels were not even written by Matthew, Mark, Luke, or John, and possibly after they were already dead (60-100 years A.D.).

Do you also understand that the New Testament is written in the common language of Rome, known as Greek? Have you ever studied the religious History of Rome and the idolatry they embrace in their Culture?

Most don't know this, either; the Book of Revelation was not added to the original Canon until the last decade of the 4th Century.

Christianity, as we know it, was delivered throughout Europe, and the then known World, via the Roman Catholic Church and during Romes push to dominate the Earth. Why do you think people fled England to the Americas (one reason)? The State Religion was, Catholic, and their Bible was the King James. They rebelled against Religion to pursue a different God than they were forced to accept.

Speaking of delusion, Jesus pointed out that the Religious were the blind hypocrites we were to look out for, not the doubting Thomas who wanted to know the facts.

I find it ironic that you quote scripture after stating you question it's authentic work.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

The State Religion was, Catholic, and their Bible was the King James.

Funny. I have my grandparents' Family Bible, a Douay (Challonier-Rheims) version, complete with the Imprimatur etc. It includes a little section in the front about 'reading the Bible'. It contains an admonishment that 'Catholics are forbidden to read Protestant versions of the Bible, including the King James version'.

Your statement, which I quoted above, is proof positive you have practically zero idea what you are talking about, and your opinions on the Word of God are equivalent to the postulations of a Sesame Street muppet on any department of theological inquiry.



Sorry to be so blunt, but the arrogance displayed by the Bible-haters and Bible-correctors is over the top. I mean really, investigation and 'searching for truth' requires a wee bit more effort than plugging in 'bible lies' into Google and running with the first Geocities website you get.

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

Your post is so full of holes, I don't know where to start. OK, I'll start with this; They don't know WHO wrote the 4 Gospels, AND, they don't have ONE original manuscript to verify who did. They are ALL copies, every last one.

You mean to tell my bible is a copy, oh shucks I was thinking that I had the original bible not just a copy

Oh, and you really understand what it was like to live without electricity, cars, running water, and a civilization that didn't even know what a Bible is? This is a time you know not of,

No electricity, Check
No cars, check
no running water, check
not knowing what a bible is, check

Actually I do understand all those conditions, I come from the poorest of the poor of a dirt poor country. I was given my first bible when I was 19 years old.
and Archaeology only proves our ignorance about a Culture that was bound by superstition and far fetched ideas that have no fact-based premise.
I am surprise you have such a high view of archeology
I guess you still believe the Sun revolves around the Earth.
I guess I should take membership in the flat earth society

Do some research before you throw out bogus information.

So I guess all those years I have spent in the library, I have been staring at my navel, while pretending to read

Please sir, throw me a meaty bone that I can chew on, not some dry ideas that already have been debunked by most Christian apologists.

Come on Mr. Soldout nothing of what you bring is new, same old tired atheists arguments, which have already been debated to boredom.

Get a new horse, this one is just not going anywhere

[Sean]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

Sean, if you want to do a formal debate, I'm ready. Anyone else on here that knows me, knows this, I don't just throw out information like you have.

Get called out on here?? HAHA! I've been on this Forum a little while. It doesn't hurt to check the status of a person before you throw out bogus information, which you in fact, you did.

Hey my friend, just relax a minute...you said King James was Catholic and the truth is he was a Protestant. People that are uneducated(new converts) are watching you say things that are false and you can damage their faith through a flat out lie. If it is true, it will hold water, but if not, you will be exposed. That goes for us all...Just dont lie to the babies....



Also, you cant hold a candle to me in a debate, unless you want to debate unbelief

[Sean]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

Your post is so full of holes, I don't know where to start. OK, I'll start with this; They don't know WHO wrote the 4 Gospels,



IN REALITY, YOU DONT KNOW WHO WROTE THE 4 GOSPELS(they) whom you are referencing above are your reprobate so called scholars on the History Channel...







AND, they don't have ONE original manuscript to verify who did. They are ALL copies, every last one.

WHO IS "THEY", NOT FOR SALE?



YES, ALL WE HAVE IS COPIES AND COPIES OF COPIES. THAT IS WHAT IS AWESOME,,,THEY ALL (RECEIVED TEXT) SAY THE SAME THING.....GOD HAS PRESERVED HIS WORD(THOUSANDS OF COPIES IN VARIOUS LANGUAGES) IN THE HANDS OF PROFESSIONAL SCRIBES. And almost entirely, every copy of the RECEIVED TEXT is verbatim in all the languages written in



Oh, and you really understand what it was like to live without electricity, cars, running water, and a civilization that didn't even know what a Bible is?



YOU DONT EVEN HAVE A CLUE WHAT THE WORD OF GOD IS ALL ABOUT....



This is a time you know not of, and Archaeology only proves our ignorance about a Culture that was bound by superstition and far fetched ideas that have no fact-based premise.



I GUESS YOU ALSO BELIEVE YOUR GREAT GREAT GREAT GRANDPA WAS AN APE, THAT I CAN AGREE WITH...



I guess you still believe the Sun revolves around the Earth.



I GUESS YOU THINK THE EARTH THAT TRAVELS IN AN ELLIPTICAL ORBIT AROUND THE SUN AT A SPEED OF AROUND 17,000 MILES PER HOUR THROUGH SPACE AND CIRCLES THE SUN LIKE A SWISS WATCH EVERY 365 DAYS IS JUST AN ACCIDENTAL EXPLOSION IN SPACE....WITH NO HELP FROM INTELLIGENT LIFE.....THATS HOW SUICIDE BOMBERS THINK...MAKE A BETTER WORLD THROUGH EXPLOSIONS...




Do some research before you throw out bogus information.

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[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Funny. I have my grandparents' Family Bible, a Douay (Challonier-Rheims) version, complete with the Imprimatur etc. It includes a little section in the front about 'reading the Bible'. It contains an admonishment that 'Catholics are forbidden to read Protestant versions of the Bible, including the King James version'.

Your statement, which I quoted above, is proof positive you have practically zero idea what you are talking about, and your opinions on the Word of God are equivalent to the postulations of a Sesame Street muppet on any department of theological inquiry.



Sorry to be so blunt, but the arrogance displayed by the Bible-haters and Bible-correctors is over the top. I mean really, investigation and 'searching for truth' requires a wee bit more effort than plugging in 'bible lies' into Google and running with the first Geocities website you get.

Well, you said…absolutely nothing that refers to my statement that the Catholic Church was the State Religion of England…which proves you have zero idea what you're talking about, because it (The Catholic Church) was.

"Many of the key tenets of the Reformation were not new: they had been anticipated in England by the teachings of the theologian and reformer John Wycliffe in the fourteenth century. But Wycliffe and his followers, known as Lollards, had been suppressed, and, officially at least, England in the early sixteenth century had a single religion, Catholicism, whose acknowledged head was the Pope in Rome."

http://www.wwnorton.com/college/engl..._3/welcome.htm

"While embracing some themes of the Protestant Reformation, the Church of England also maintains Catholic traditions of the ancient church and teachings of the Church Fathers, unless these are considered contrary to scripture."

"The high church party places importance on the Church of England's continuity with the pre-Reformation Catholic Church, adherence to ancient liturgical usages and the sacerdotal nature of the priesthood."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_England

"In the early sixteenth century, England's single official religion was Catholicism, and the head of the Church was the pope in Rome. Catholic liturgy and the Bible were in Latin, which few lay people understood."

http://wwnorton.com/college/english/.../overview.aspx

Esaias, do some research before you go spouting off lies and bogus information.

Even during and after the Reformation, England still adhered to the Traditions and Teachings of Catholicism, because of one simple fact; Modern Christianity came from Rome, and whether we like it or not, the American (Christian) Church is modeled after the Catholic Church. Just like tomorrow, most Christians will celebrate Easter, a Roman Catholic Holiday/Tradition.