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Old 04-28-2014, 01:20 PM
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Re: Why do you believe the Bible to be inerrant?

I can prove with facts that the Bible is not perfect. There are numerous flaws and mistakes, and even those on AFF who claim infallibility know this. When I discovered this, my heart was heavy at first because of my dogmatic stance of the past that the Bible was a flawless book of Faith and Truth.

That was many years ago, and I've come to some conclusions about this problem:

1. The Bible was written by men, not G-d. There is no way man can write something that is perfect, period.

2. Man cannot, nor ever could, handle "Perfect Truth". We are imperfect, and we need imperfection to remain balanced, no matter what we are dealing with.

3. The Bible is the "Face of Man". Think about it, men who wrote Scripture were adulterers, idolaters, murderers, whore-mongers, polygamists, heathens, etc. If we are honest, we can use the Bible as a mirror, which will reflect the truth about our entire “flawed” character.

4. There are no remaining Documents that are "Original". This means we rely on copies, and we know what happens when humans begin to copy things such as documents, words, or any other invention on this planet; changes are imminent and unavoidable when copies replace the original.

5. At least with me, I am relieved the Bible is not infallible. G-d, in the mercies we all need, allowed us to create instruction and truth that can lead a man down a path that isn't for everyone, because we are not everyone; we are all unique and different, with multiple needs at separate times. Religion doesn't conform to this, and even the Bible points this out, where those who draw a line in the sand regarding obedience to G-d, are the very ones who were labeled deceitful and called hypocrites.

6. The Bible is tainted with Religion, no matter how hard we try to reject this idea. IMO, this is the greatest flaw with Scripture, as isolated Faith(s) will evolve into a Cult, where lies replace truth about who we really are, thinking they are the only ones who are "Saved".

7. This is the last and most amazing thing to me about this issue; the tentacles of Scripture cross every barrier and belief system available to us. G-d, can meet a man at any crossroad, at any level, and at any stage of life. Young, old, sinner, saved, it doesn't matter, we are all in this story, where mercy MUST reach us in the dire of our needs.
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Old 04-28-2014, 05:17 PM
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Re: Why do you believe the Bible to be inerrant?

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Why do you believe the Bible to be inerrant?

What first convinced you? Why?

I've been mulling this topic over (apparently for the past 6 years: http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...ad.php?t=21086 )

I can see it as sacred, I can see it as containing wisdom, I can see it as useful in leading people towards relationship with God, but I just can't see it as perfect.
depending on the definition of Inerrant.

There are at least 5 different views of inerrancy of the scriptures.
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Old 04-28-2014, 05:26 PM
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...because if I believed God inspired His word to people, then He also took it upon Himself to ensure it remain preserved and intact.
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...because if I believed God inspired His word to people, then He also took it upon Himself to ensure it remain preserved and intact.
And a fine job he did!
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And a fine job he did!
He certainly did!
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Re: Why do you believe the Bible to be inerrant?

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...because if I believed God inspired His word to people, then He also took it upon Himself to ensure it remain preserved and intact.
I agree that God took it upon himself to ensure it remain preserved and intact, but we that hold the transcendental inerrancy view, speak that of the message not of the precise words.
I am quite sure that God foresaw that people would make errors in their copying in the scriptures so he made sure that the main message would come through despites those errors in the texts.

One of the ways he insured his word would be received properly is the rule about 2 or 3 witness for something to be established.

That is why all doctrines need to have at least 2 or 3 clear scriptures before that doctrine can be considered as valid.
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Re: Why do you believe the Bible to be inerrant?

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I agree that God took it upon himself to ensure it remain preserved and intact, but we that hold the transcendental inerrancy view, speak that of the message not of the precise words.
I am quite sure that God foresaw that people would make errors in their copying in the scriptures so he made sure that the main message would come through despites those errors in the texts.

One of the ways he insured his word would be received properly is the rule about 2 or 3 witness for something to be established.

That is why all doctrines need to have at least 2 or 3 clear scriptures before that doctrine can be considered as valid.
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Re: Why do you believe the Bible to be inerrant?

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I agree that God took it upon himself to ensure it remain preserved and intact, but we that hold the transcendental inerrancy view, speak that of the message not of the precise words.
I am quite sure that God foresaw that people would make errors in their copying in the scriptures so he made sure that the main message would come through despites those errors in the texts.

One of the ways he insured his word would be received properly is the rule about 2 or 3 witness for something to be established.

That is why all doctrines need to have at least 2 or 3 clear scriptures before that doctrine can be considered as valid.
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Re: Why do you believe the Bible to be inerrant?

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depending on the definition of Inerrant.

There are at least 5 different views of inerrancy of the scriptures.
Which are?
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Which are?
I am not sure I have not read the book.

However my view of the scriptures could be called transcendental inerrancy.

I believe the original writings were correct, however later on as people made copies some mistakes were made, but that does not affect the message of God for the transcendental inerrancy view allows for imperfections in the scriptures but the word of God is able to transcend those errors and come to us and save us, despite those imperfections.

That one scripture speaks of one or two demonic possessed individuals does not make a difference, for it is a minor detail that has nothing to do with the main message in that story.
The inconsistencies in the crucifixion of Jesus are irrelevant details, that do not detract from the main story the Bible is trying to tell us.

The flexibility of the transcendental inerrancy view is that it does not worry about such minor differences, but looks at the major points instead as a framework that holds the Bible together.

I believe the Bible has a self-correcting mechanism that allows it to restore itself to a more or less original form. this mechanism is composed of grammatical and syntax rules.
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