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Old 05-17-2014, 04:32 PM
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Re: Why Do You Believe Jesus is God?

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The "peace" being referred to is His Spirit/Comforter which was promised under the New Covenant. The Spirit is likened to a "dove", which is a symbol of "peace".

"Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid." John 14:27

They didn't quite understand Him while He was alive, but understood more after His death.

When Jesus speaks, you must search out why He says what He says. For instance, in John 14:1, Jesus says, "Do not let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God; trust also in me."

He isn't making a division here because, in verse 9 He is responding to Phillip, "...he that has seen/clearly discerned me, has seen/clearly discerned the father...

John 10:30 "I and my Father are one."

If they didn't quite understand Isaiah 9:6, they would later on the Day of Pentecost.

Jesus says in John 14:16, "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter..."

Again, no division here as we read John 15:26, "But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you..."

He is our peace, our Comforter/Advocate/Counselor, our Father, our God, our Saviour.

If He "hung the earth upon nothing" Job 26:7, why would it be hard to understand that He can be all in all?
We were discussing Isaiah. It was claimed to be "fulfilled"

Here is what it says: "Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever"

I asked - where is the kingdom, peace, and government?

I answered - it is in the future. Summary: These passages are not fulfilled and no possible combination of completely unrelated passages will ever convince even the most unlearned that they are
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