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07-14-2014, 10:59 AM
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Re: Has Steve Pixler left Apostolic Conservatism?
Direct quotes from minute 40 to minute 44...
"If the Word doesn't teach it, you don't get to teach it. You don't get this pastoral authority thing that goes beyond the Word."
"I remember lying on my face and saying "God, if I make these changes, if these standards here get changed, if I change this and I change that, if I allow this and I allow that, God, I will destroy my Daddy's church. There won't be nothing left of my Dad's church when I'm done, Lord. His legacy will be destroyed. His legacy will be ended. God his ministry has been destroyed because of what I've done to his church.
And I remember lying on my face before God...and I remember the Holy Ghost speaking to me and saying "This is not your Daddy's church. This is not your church. It's My (God's) church. And you are going to obey what I tell you to do."
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07-14-2014, 11:02 AM
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Re: Has Steve Pixler left Apostolic Conservatism?
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Originally Posted by n david
Apparently he's the anti-christ now.
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You mean to tell me if a preacher preaches only from the Bible, then he is an anti-Christ?
Well I guess I am one too.
I preach the Bible, the Bible, the Bible, the Bible and only the Bible.
but since I preach no man-made standards, I guess I am an anti-Christ too.
Well, I welcome Steve into our little circle of Bible only preachers. 
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07-14-2014, 11:17 AM
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Well, I welcome Steve into our little circle of Bible only preachers. |
Its a growing circle. Look at what the Spirit is continuing to do with this generation. No doubt there will be many more as God moves on pastors and calls them back to the true old paths of His Word rather than the self proclaimed old paths of 20th century Pentecostalism.
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07-14-2014, 11:28 AM
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Re: Has Steve Pixler left Apostolic Conservatism?
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Originally Posted by Charnock
Direct quotes from minute 40 to minute 44...
"If the Word doesn't teach it, you don't get to teach it. You don't get this pastoral authority thing that goes beyond the Word."
"I remember lying on my face and saying "God, if I make these changes, if these standards here get changed, if I change this and I change that, if I allow this and I allow that, God, I will destroy my Daddy's church. There won't be nothing left of my Dad's church when I'm done, Lord. His legacy will be destroyed. His legacy will be ended. God his ministry has been destroyed because of what I've done to his church.
And I remember lying on my face before God...and I remember the Holy Ghost speaking to me and saying "This is not your Daddy's church. This is not your church. It's My (God's) church. And you are going to obey what I tell you to do."
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I am always a bit leery when a preacher makes a huge swing in a short period of time. I hope it is for all of the right reasons. Time will tell and I certainly will give him the benefit of the doubt.
Sometimes it is not as "sudden" a swing as it appears because a preacher has been coming to a new understanding himself over years but has been afraid to show it. The danger in these cases is if he tries to take a church very quickly through something that took him a long time.
The psychological conditioning that goes with legalistic clothesline preaching can't be undone in a short series of sermons. It is a very long road.
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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07-14-2014, 11:36 AM
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Re: Has Steve Pixler left Apostolic Conservatism?
Many good Godly men who also spend much time in prayer and fasting are holding to the teachings of holiness which are found in the Word of God.
There is no need to reevaluate what one believes when it was and is founded on the Word of God. I settled l that 40 years ago and will never change.
Last edited by AR Pastor; 07-14-2014 at 11:41 AM.
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07-14-2014, 11:38 AM
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Re: Has Steve Pixler left Apostolic Conservatism?
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Originally Posted by n david
A bit of an over-reaction, I believe.
What's sad is when this man preaches about spending the past 6 months praying, yet because some of you don't agree with what he said you call him poor, say it's sad and claim "he's gone." What's sad is this gives fuel to the one's here who claim that if you question certain beliefs you're ostracized or condemned by those who claimed to be a friend or brother before.
He wants to believe what's in the Bible and preach what's in the Bible. What's so sad, or poor or "gone" about that? We need more Pastor's to preach the word and stop adding their personal beliefs to it!
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Well if he gives up standards and continues teaching tithing, he is a big fraud and just opening up the door for a bigger income....Time will Tell...If you are going to FIX your church, fix ALL OF IT.
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07-14-2014, 11:41 AM
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Re: Has Steve Pixler left Apostolic Conservatism?
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Originally Posted by CC1
I am always a bit leery when a preacher makes a huge swing in a short period of time. I hope it is for all of the right reasons. Time will tell and I certainly will give him the benefit of the doubt.
Sometimes it is not as "sudden" a swing as it appears because a preacher has been coming to a new understanding himself over years but has been afraid to show it. The danger in these cases is if he tries to take a church very quickly through something that took him a long time.
The psychological conditioning that goes with legalistic clothesline preaching can't be undone in a short series of sermons. It is a very long road.
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07-14-2014, 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Sean
Well if he gives up standards and continues teaching tithing, he is a big fraud and just opening up the door for a bigger income....Time will Tell...If you are going to FIX your church, fix ALL OF IT.
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I wouldn't say he's a big fraud but I do agree with the need to reevaluate tithing and fixing all of it. I think his teaching on tithing a few years ago was prosperity flavored. I believe he is sincere though and I wouldn't be surprised if God doesn't bring that to him in the future. However first things first.
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"The only man who has the right to say he is justified by grace alone is the man who has left all to follow Christ." ~Dietrich Bonheoffer, The Cost of Discipleship
"Preachers who should be fishing for men are now too often fishing for compliments from men." ~Leonard Ravenhill
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07-14-2014, 11:51 AM
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Re: Has Steve Pixler left Apostolic Conservatism?
The word teaches Holiness and Separation, modesty and commitment....God doesn't change...people do...
I just listened to Richard Gazowski say that God told him he was going to have the first church on another planet... God seems to say a lot of things to people...
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07-14-2014, 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by AR Pastor
Many good Godly men who also spend much time in prayer and fasting are holding to the teachings of holiness which are found in the Word of God.
There is no need to reevaluate what one believes when it was and is founded on the Word of God. I settled l that 40 years ago and will never change.
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Where does the Word of God say a woman can't trim her hair, wear an earring, or a bifurcated garment? Where does the Word of God say a man can't have a beard or wear a short sleeve shirt?
Where does the Word of God say you can't have a TV or go to a professional sporting event?
And where does the Word of God say you can do none of the above but can use the internet, watch YouTube, wear expensive watches, diamond wedding rings,turn church/camp meeting into a worldly fashion contest of vanities, and not go to movie theatre but watch DVDs?
Is it really the Word of God or just your tradition? I think the latter.
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"Resolved: That all men should live to the glory of God. Resolved, secondly: That whether or not anyone else does, I will." ~Jonathan Edwards
"The only man who has the right to say he is justified by grace alone is the man who has left all to follow Christ." ~Dietrich Bonheoffer, The Cost of Discipleship
"Preachers who should be fishing for men are now too often fishing for compliments from men." ~Leonard Ravenhill
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