All Trinitarians are Lost!!!!!!!!!!!

[Dichotomy Girl]

Well....I got divorced, dropped "standards", shacked up with an Atheist, became a political liberal, got pregnant out of wedlock, and married said Atheist.

But I'm still Oneness!

HA!

Take that ya hell-bound Trinny's

[revrandy]

Originally Posted by Dichotomy Girl

Well....I got divorced, dropped "standards", shacked up with an Atheist, became a political liberal, got pregnant out of wedlock, and married said Atheist.

But I'm still Oneness!

HA!

Take that ya hell-bound Trinny's

I'm sure it was just that easy..

[Originalist]

[QUOTE=Sean;1324706]

Originally Posted by originalist

i made these comments and did not get a response. I was hoping to get feedback...

I know a preacher who says nothing when he baptizes. He has the candidate repent as confess jesus as lord then he dunks them.

Another preacher does not use a formula, but quotes romans 6:4 when he baptizes somebody saying....





Are these two examples going to hell because the pastor did not use the word "name" or the word "baptize"?






I do not believe that the lord is sending folks to hell for not being baptized. They simply are not yet in the body of christ. If they die that way, they are not officially in the body, so they will be judged by the law according to rev. 20 like the rest of humanity. Many will indeed be found in the book of life there.

I am offering an insurance policy to Mark 16:16 to folks to escape the rev 20:14 situation altogether and partake in the "1st resurrection"....

16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned

Rev. 20:6 blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Again I just asked you about people who ARE baptized. Why does that point seem to keep eluding you? Are you counting these two examples I gave above as people who are not baptized?

[Sean]

[QUOTE=Originalist;1324881]

Originally Posted by Sean

Again I just asked you about people who ARE baptized. Why does that point seem to keep eluding you? Are you counting these two examples I gave above as people who are not baptized?

I guess I am not sure of your question(kinda thought you were focused on Spirit filled folks). I believe if the name of Jesus is not spoken over the candidate, they just got wet...If we are required to do all in the Name of Jesus, woudnt that include baptism?

Col.3:17......And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him. (baptism is both WORD and DEED)

[Jermyn Davidson]

[QUOTE=Sean;1324885]

Originally Posted by Originalist

I guess I am not sure of your question(kinda thought you were focused on Spirit filled folks). I believe if the name of Jesus is not spoken over the candidate, they just got wet...If we are required to do all in the Name of Jesus, woudnt that include baptism?

Col.3:17......And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him. (baptism is both WORD and DEED)

Does anyone make love to their spouse in the Name of Jesus?

How does that work?


MAYBE there are things that you and your spouse agree to do or not do, in your deference to the AUTHORITY that Jesus Christ has over your marriage and marriage bed.

But I doubt anyone is concerned with saying the Name of Jesus right before you deflower.


Trying to make a point, not being crass.

[Originalist]

[QUOTE=Sean;1324885]

Originally Posted by Originalist

I guess I am not sure of your question(kinda thought you were focused on Spirit filled folks). I believe if the name of Jesus is not spoken over the candidate, they just got wet...If we are required to do all in the Name of Jesus, woudnt that include baptism?

Col.3:17......And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him. (baptism is both WORD and DEED)

But you just got through saying in a post last night that we could even baptize ourselves if need be. I gave you an example of a pastor who says nothing over people when he baptizes them. Rather he has THEM openly repent and confess Jesus as Lord and risen Savior. Then he dunks them. It goes something like this. He asks them in the water, "Why do you want me to baptize you?". They reply, "because I am confessing and forsaking my sins and I am confessing Jesus Christ as my Lord and risen Savior".

So, it would seem by your admonition last night that one could pronounce the name of Jesus over themselves and baptize themselves if need be, that the one being baptized in the manner I discuss here did just that, correct? If not, why?

I really wish you would respond in a little more detail on this and the other example I gave of the pastor who quotes Romans 6:4 over his baptismal candidates.

The name of Jesus is spoken in both occasions, is it not? Yet it is not "pronounced" in some ceremonial manner. are you implying that the words "name" and "baptize" must also be uttered?

Also, in reference to the examples I'm asking you to comment on here...In the first example, what if they are not actually standing in the water when they say "I'm here to baptized because I'm confessing and forsaking my sins and confessing Jesus Christ as my Lord"? After saying that they then step into the baptistery and the pastor dunks them. Does it count?

Ditto for the second example. What if the pastor recites Romans 6:4 using the name of Jesus in the quotation, the candidate steps into the tank, and the pastor dunks them? does that count?

Finally, what if I pronounce over someone, "I baptize you in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ" , we then walk a mile to a lake, they step into the water and I dunk them. Does that count?

These are not meant to be silly questions. I'd really like to know how you view such.

[Jermyn Davidson]

I bless my food and end the prayer, "in Jesus Name", but there isn't anything spiritual about eating a Big Mac.

[Abiding Now]

[QUOTE=Jermyn Davidson;1324890]

Originally Posted by Sean

Does anyone make love to their spouse in the Name of Jesus?

How does that work?


MAYBE there are things that you and your spouse agree to do or not do, in your deference to the AUTHORITY that Jesus Christ has over your marriage and marriage bed.

But I doubt anyone is concerned with saying the Name of Jesus right before you deflower.


Trying to make a point, not being crass.

It's called marriage. Like when the preacher says by the laws of the state of ____ and the powers of God, I now pronounce you husband and wife. In Jesus Name. You may salute the bride.

[LOVE JESUS]

LOVE LOVE LOVE... The greatest of these is LOVE. I am not seeing a lot of LOVE in a lot of these responses.

[Originalist]

[QUOTE=Abiding Now;1324909]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

It's called marriage. Like when the preacher says by the laws of the state of ____ and the powers of God, I now pronounce you husband and wife. In Jesus Name. You may salute the bride.

So their personal vows to each other don't count until the preachers flaps his gums? Hogwash.