How to worship your pastor

[LadyRev]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

speak in greek in that verse means make NO SOUND....sorry your women cannot worship...

[LadyRev]

Originally Posted by Sean

Well, I am sure you can find a version somewhere in the "minority text" of the 50 or so other versions of the Bible to fit the concept you may have. The possibilities are endless...

Just to illustrate a point...

How about this possibility? How about we do with this passage of scripture as you are doing with the one you are using against women preachers/pastors.

This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. 2A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; 3Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; 4One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity; 5(For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?) 6Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil. 7Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil. I Timothy 3:1-7

How many male pastors are single? How many are have children that are "out of church", in juevenile centers, correctional facilities, etc.? How many are divorced without cause? How many have serious financial troubles, can't manage money? How many have a bad report in the community?

According to the above text, taken as it is, without studing any other scriptures, such men should not be licensed, hold office or be pastoring or even preaching.

Chew on that one for awhile if you want to play "out of context" scripture ball.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by LadyRev

Just to illustrate a point...

How about this possibility? How about we do with this passage of scripture as you are doing with the one you are using against women preachers/pastors.

This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. 2A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; 3Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; 4One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity; 5(For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?) 6Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil. 7Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil. I Timothy 3:1-7

How many male pastors are single? How many are have children that are "out of church", in juevenile centers, correctional facilities, etc.? How many are divorced without cause? How many have serious financial troubles, can't manage money? How many have a bad report in the community?

According to the above text, taken as it is, without studing any other scriptures, such men should not be licensed, hold office or be pastoring or even preaching.

Chew on that one for awhile if you want to play "out of context" scripture ball.

I will AMEN you on that post...if you have a chaotic household you shouldn't be a up front leader. The problem with pastors that have a chaotic household not quitting is they are too reliant on offerings. If they had another way to make an income, they could gracefully step down and go teach Bible studies in their free time. They got themselves LOCKED in a situation that is biblically out of whack by "charging folks" to be disciples and becoming a "RENT-A-PASTOR" . (but most of them these days would not work for the Lord unless somebody pays them)


I know a pastor that has a grown son that dresses up like a woman. When I saw his/her pic the first thing I said to the person showing me the pic is that pastor needs to quit that church and deal with his situation. But of course he will not because he has no other way to make a living. He is also in a lawsuit with my wifes Aunt (the former first lady of the church).


Some of these men wouldnt go near a pulpit or teach a Bible Study to a sinner unless they got paid...Paul would have rebuked them before all and would have kicked them out of the early Church ministry as hirelings.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by LadyRev

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear View Post
speak in greek in that verse means make NO SOUND....sorry your women cannot worship...

But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

Well I am not the one with the problem, I guess Paul is....LOL

[Sean]

Originally Posted by shazeep View Post
ya...no. It stands tall for you because it validates you, possibly, but this makes it no more true than I suffer not a woman to lecture, nor to usurp authority..., and it actually makes it quite a bit less. Nice try, tho! Ps, the "It's too clear to rebut" is strictly your opinion, and a clear sign, at least to me, that the doctrine is just another flawed one born of selfish premises. The translation there is the most chauvinistic one, by far, and i don't blame you for biting at it, but you should at least read the others.




If you are a guy...Traitor!...LOL...Man, if wife finds out I am posting this stuff I am dead meat...LOL

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Sean

Originally Posted by shazeep View Post
ya...no. It stands tall for you because it validates you, possibly, but this makes it no more true than I suffer not a woman to lecture, nor to usurp authority..., and it actually makes it quite a bit less. Nice try, tho! Ps, the "It's too clear to rebut" is strictly your opinion, and a clear sign, at least to me, that the doctrine is just another flawed one born of selfish premises. The translation there is the most chauvinistic one, by far, and i don't blame you for biting at it, but you should at least read the others.




If you are a guy...Traitor!...LOL...Man, if wife finds out I am posting this stuff I am dead meat...LOL

lol...i'm actually not comfortable with a woman pastor; but i have been shown that what is translated "teach" may be more correctly translated "lecture to;" and i've been led into the background of this--how the early church most resembled our current-day Mennonite gatherings, wherein congregational interaction during the service is not unheard of. My understanding is that in the church in question @ Paul's quotes, this had gotten a bit out of hand, and Paul was just trying to re-establish order in that church. Similarly, with the quotes @ "...women should be 'silent' in church..." possibly meant to be translated "no chattering," as they were making the church service into a social occasion...

[AR Pastor]

NO one should worship the pastor.

A pastor should be respected and given honor but NEVER worshipped.

That sort of thing leads to Jim Jones types

[Sister Alvear]

Originally Posted by AR Pastor

NO one should worship the pastor.

A pastor should be respected and given honor but NEVER worshipped.

That sort of thing leads to Jim Jones types