All Trinitarians are Lost!!!!!!!!!!!

[Lafon]

Originally Posted by Charnock

No, there wasn't a One God Apostolic Pentecostal Church for thousands of years, if ever, prior to 1916.

Yes, I have read Arnold's horrible revisionist history. It's a joke.

Now, did you read anything I posted? Care to respond to my comments regarding the true meaning of Matthew 16:18? Or are you just gonna continue to spout silly stuff without any proof?

First, your calling Marvin Arnold's work a "horrible revisionist history" a "joke," I find most insulting, for it belittles a godly man's life ambition to provide historical proof of the One God Apostolic Pentecostal church's continuous existence.

Dr. Arnold was a recognized historian. Religious history was his main field of expertise. Eighty-eight Oneness Apostolic Christian organizations accepted him as their historian. He was the founder and Chairman of the Biblical Apostolic Organization.

Dr. Arnold spent the last thirty-three years of his life relentlessly researching and compiling Oneness Apostolic history. His literary works also include, Apostolic History Outline, The Origin and Spread of Man, Pentecost Before Azusa, The Bible, Trinity and Matthew 28:19, Nicaea and The Nicene Council of AD 325. He incessantly taught that the Upper Room Church of Saint Matthew 16:18 and Acts 2:1-38, had eternal longevity. He emphasized that the Church of Pentecost has been alive, extant, doctrinally intact throughout each day unto this moment. It never died; it never ceased to function; it never digressed to become something else. It's Apostolic doctrinal structure never fell; it needed no so-called restoration. It did not suffer a torturous step-by-step restoration by inept European gentile reformers. Also, he documented that between ca. 1670 and 1901-1909, in America, there were many Jesus' name people. He affirmed that Oneness Apostolic doctrine did not evolve from out of Topeka or Azusa teachings, nor from 1916 phenomena. Instead, the doctrine of Acts 2:38 has always been available to those who wanted it. Always, someone, somewhere, preached this biblical doctrine.

Dr. Arnold has traveled in Hawaii, Japan, Korea, Hong Kong, Taiwan, and China. In Taiwan at a conference he met with the leading officials of the True Jesus Church of China. His travels also included England, Canada, Newfoundland, the Azores, Africa, and many nations of Europe. He also traveled in Iraq, and has seen the ruins of Babylon. He visited the archaeological ruins of the Tower of Babel in the Shinarian Plains. He researched the bagdad Museum, the British Museum, and the University Museum of Philadelphia. He traveled in Israel, and visited Qumran. He saw Jordan and Syria. He traveled Greece and saw Mars Hill and Corinth.

With an Iraqi government guide Dr. Arnold traveled to the city-state ruins of Uruk (Warka) near the Euphrates River. He investigated the preflood citystate ruins of Lagash, Erida, and Ur. He has researched in many major libraries in the United States, and has had researchers work for him in great European libraries at Cologne, Paris, Oxford, Upsala, Berli, and othersw for information concerning ancient religious history.

In Turkey he researched at Nicaea, where the Nicene Council of AD 325 was held. He visited the interesting sites of Ephesus, Pergamos, Thyatira, Laodicea, and Aphrodisias. He traveled along the Kizilirmak, Ceyhan, and Seyhan Rivers. He visited the Ancient Hittite capitol, Kayseri. He saw the unique Goreme Valley, almost a fairy-tale land of exotic pyramids of stone. Also, located there are 360 solid stone cave churches and complete underground cities.

Dr. Arnold went through the afore mentioned efforts to obtain detailed information pertaining to Apostolic history that transpired during past centuries. His literary works have greatly impacted the Oneness movement, and his legacy has become greatly realized among Jesus' name people world-wide. After an exceptional ministry, Dr. Marvin M. Arnold went home to be with the Lord on November 24, 2001.

I do not share your sentiments of this great man of God's work, rather I praise him for it and am most thankful that he left his findings that others might know the truth about the matter. I'm sorry that you don't agree!

And yes, I did read everything you've posted, and I do NOT agree with your understanding of our Lord's statements of Matthew 16:18 concerning both the "revelation" of His true identity as a "man," or of the absence of His church in the earth until 1916. Therefore I will address only one of your comments which I found to be most absurd, after which I shall refrain from any further discussion about the matter with you, for its evident (to me, at least) you only seek to impose your (erroneous) biased opinions.

The word Hell, in this passage, is actually “Hades” which means the grave .... the gates of Hell, or the grave, are used by Satan to keep the church in the ground

Truth be known, the word "hell" (Greek "hades") not only refers to the grave, but it also implies "death." Even the saints of God MUST die so that this "penalty" for sin which all mankind inherits from our progenitor, Adam, must be fulfilled, without exceptions whatsoever, nevertheless God devised the means whereby His adopted sons, who are compelled to experience the affects of this judgment, will not be forever banished from His presence (II Samuel 14:14). This was accomplished through the sacrificial death, burial and resurrection of Christ Jesus; one's belief in the atonement wrought by/through His blood, and the receiving of the Spirit.

Admittedly, Satan did exercise "power" to hold captive the souls of those saints of olden times who experienced death PRIOR to the death of Christ Jesus, however, when He ascended into that domain following the death of His flesh, He conquered its devastating eternal affects, thereby cancelled out, dispensed, or did away with Satan's dominion over the souls there, taking them with Him when He ascended to His throne located in the invisible heavens (Matthew 27:52-53 and Ephesians 4:8). In this process of conquering death's affects, He also regained the "keys of hell and of death" (Revelation 1:18), so that since then He, alone, exercises dominion of the souls of both the righteous and unrighteous who enter there.

Therefore for you to assert, or even suggest in any way, that Satan exercises power over the souls of the righteous dead, i.e., the saints of God who've experienced death since the ascension of Christ Jesus, simply CANNOT be scripturally substantiated!

Respectfully submitted.