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Originally Posted by CC1
One day after church I talked to my pastor about the situation and he did something I never witnessed much in old time Pentecost.
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You pretty much grew up in Pentecost, correct? I know you said you have been a part of 4 churches over the last 31 years. Since the Apostolic movement in the United States is comprised of well over 4 churches, what then do you base the above statement on? Wouldn't it be fair to say that your statement is only based on your own perceived experience? I personally know of Apostolic ministers who have done the same thing you say your pastor had done with you. So, be relieved that there are others out there who have done the same on what you see as the Neanderthal side of Pentecost.
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Originally Posted by CC1
He knew this pastor and his work and said he was a good man and he knew this small church probably needed elder saints and help. That we should tell the pastor we were going to go there for a few months to help out and see where things lead. My pastor told me that after these few months if we felt that was the place we needed to be for us to stay but if not his church was our home and we were always welcome home.
Ironically the small church I went to help is now at least twice as big as the "bigger" church I left three years ago.
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What do you call growth? Is it just people filling a building after they joined a group through whatever the group's gauntlet may be? Whether that's dunked in whatever mode, shaking the preacher's hand, faithful tithing, or enduring a preacher cursing at you from the pulpit for 50 minutes after you watched 60 minutes of video, then tolerate 30 minutes of "Jesus is my boyfriend" music?
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Originally Posted by CC1
Although I don't believe one will miss heaven if not baptized I do believe it is an important thing and also while I don't believe a person will miss heaven over the words said over them at baptism I do believe that the correct, biblical way is in Jesus name so it was important to me that a church I am part of baptizes in Jesus name.
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You know something, as long as I have been around Churchanity this has always puzzled me? This sounds like a walking contradiction? Baptism is Biblical, and doing it in Jesus name is Biblically correct, BUT it isn't important?
Which logically would be followed by the neophyte saying "then why get wet?"
I know you can't see the quandary, but it makes no sense.
Peter is commanding uncircumcised Romans to get into water after they received the Holy Ghost? In the Spanish 1909 SRV the word used "mandó" comes from the root of the Latin mandatorius which means "he who gives a mandate" another meaning "obligatory because commanded." In English we have the word "mandatory." The Greek προστάσσω means to bid through a authoritative order. Now how do we go from that to the Baptist motto"why would anybody professing to be a Christian not want to be baptized?"
Did Peter tell these uncircumcised Romans it was to be left up to their feelings?
So let's try this again, in your world why would anybody professing to be a Christian want to be baptized if baptism isn't mandatory?
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