"I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, it is good for them if they abide even as I. But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn."
Show where Paul gave the same advise to homosexuals.
__________________ "all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."
~Declaration of Independence
Oh Prax that is wonderful! I pray so hard that my ex (my friend..I don't like the word "ex" lol) will also choose that path. Your comment gives me hope.
I think the key is recognizing
1) we are all sinners with a carnal nature. Homosexuals wrestle with the carnal nature
2) we need God to save us because of it and to help us over come it
3) We will always be in the flesh until we die and so we can struggle from time to time and should not lose heart but always turn to God not letting guilt keep us from trusting God's love
__________________ Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
But these people blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like unreasoning animals, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like animals they too will perish.
the problem with the nature argument is...only animals are used to represent nature yet they are used to say certain behavior in humans is ok
Well that puts humans in the "nature" category too. And so if doing something means "It's natural"
Then it's natural and OK for mothers to abuse and murder their babies
It's natural and OK to have paranoid delusions
It's natural and OK to go on mass killing sprees
8. The Natural Law fallacy / Appeal to Nature
DEFINITION: The Appeal to Nature is a common fallacy in political arguments. One version consists of drawing an analogy between a particular conclusion, and some aspect of the natural world -- and then stating that the conclusion is inevitable, because the natural world is similar. Another form of appeal to nature is to argue that because human beings are products of the natural world, we must mimic behavior seen in the natural world, and that to do otherwise is 'unnatural'.
EXAMPLE: "Kirk should not be brought back to life. People die. It's just human nature. That is life. When was the last time you saw a resurrection in the real world?" (They are ignoring that in Star Trek, anything is possible. Just because death is natural and unstoppable in the present-day real world, does not mean it is inevitable in a fictional TV series).
__________________ Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
the problem with the nature argument is...only animals are used to represent nature yet they are used to say certain behavior in humans is ok
Well that puts humans in the "nature" category too. And so if doing something means "It's natural"
Then it's natural and OK for mothers to abuse and murder their babies
It's natural and OK to have paranoid delusions
It's natural and OK to go on mass killing sprees
8. The Natural Law fallacy / Appeal to Nature
DEFINITION: The Appeal to Nature is a common fallacy in political arguments. One version consists of drawing an analogy between a particular conclusion, and some aspect of the natural world -- and then stating that the conclusion is inevitable, because the natural world is similar. Another form of appeal to nature is to argue that because human beings are products of the natural world, we must mimic behavior seen in the natural world, and that to do otherwise is 'unnatural'.
EXAMPLE: "Kirk should not be brought back to life. People die. It's just human nature. That is life. When was the last time you saw a resurrection in the real world?" (They are ignoring that in Star Trek, anything is possible. Just because death is natural and unstoppable in the present-day real world, does not mean it is inevitable in a fictional TV series).
Excellent.
__________________ "all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."
~Declaration of Independence
When two of the same sex want to get married, the purpose it is serving is to fulfill lust, . . .
Quote:
Originally Posted by Timmy
"I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, it is good for them if they abide even as I. But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn."
Quote:
Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa
Show where Paul gave the same advise to homosexuals.
__________________ "all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."
~Declaration of Independence
Timmy is saying that for people to heterosexuals to get married because they can't control their lusts is also self serving. I mean, it's obvious. Do you really need Timmy's PR rep to answer?
Timmy is saying that for people to heterosexuals to get married because they can't control their lusts is also self serving. I mean, it's obvious. Do you really need Timmy's PR rep to answer?
OK, so if that was the advice of Paul the Apostle suggests to young widows and young single women, where is the advice for homosexuals? Paul only gives that advice to two types of young women. Young widows and unmarried young women. If we follow what the Apostle said in other epistles he was talking about young people, and in 1st Timothy he gives his reasons for his thoughts for these females to marry.
But the younger widows refuse: for when they have begun to wax wanton against Christ, they will marry; Having damnation, because they have cast off their first faith. And withal they learn to be idle, wandering about from house to house; and not only idle, but tattlers also and busybodies, speaking things which they ought not. I will therefore that the younger women marry, bear children, guide the house, give none occasion to the adversary to speak reproachfully.
In 1st Corinthians 7 it looks like he is speaking primarily to young people when it comes to men and women wanting to get married, and deals with the issues of youth. Yet, the apostle emphasizes the idea of remaining single for the work of the Gospel. Yet, since Timmy brings up 1st Corinthians 7:9 to say that KBW's post concerning self serving homosexuals getting married due to lust is the same thing which the Apostle is writing about to Corinth. My question is, where does the Apostle ever deal with men getting married to men? Where in the Bible do we see any advice for homosexual marriage, lustful, or otherwise?
__________________ "all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."
~Declaration of Independence
I pray so hard that my ex (my friend..I don't like the word "ex" lol) will also choose that path. Your comment gives me hope. 
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