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Old 10-03-2014, 11:02 PM
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Re: Homosexuality question

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Some people feel they are divinely omniscient and cannot have possibly missed something when they claimed they tried the God of the bible and He failed them.

Our minds are less than the size of grains of sand compared to the mind of God that the universe cannot contain. But still that doesn't stop folks from feeling they know all that can be known.




Mike, if folks only knew that if the trials come and we are found standing in faith, we will pass the test and be blessed of the Lord. We all will suffer trials of our faith from time to time. The key to it all is just live for Jesus during and after the trial. Jesus our Lord can fix any broken thing!
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Old 10-04-2014, 12:38 AM
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Re: Homosexuality question

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Those were examples of what I wasn't asking.

I asked previously, about my gay son:
So, if he never repents and does whatever else you think he has to do to be saved, will he deserve to burn in hell?
Everyone deserves it. Everyone must repent
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Old 10-04-2014, 12:41 AM
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I don't want to get too personal, but do you think think that you were possibly exposed to somethings that were too graphic as a child. I have heard of someone who had constantly been exposed to his father raping his mother from the adjoining bedroom. This person has grown up heterosexual, but began engaging in sexual activities very young and very frequently.

This is sometimes I believe how spirits may be involved. A lot of times you see families who pass down their vices to their children. Spirit? Genetics? learning from your parents example? Maybe a little of each? I don't know what it is exactly that causes mankind's shameful behavior, but I know Christ has called us out of these lifestyles and maybe we just give some of these things too much attention.
That's also not an attraction.

But I have to say that is odd to have a dream of something you know nothing about.
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Old 10-04-2014, 06:19 AM
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I think I discussed childhood events some time ago. No need to do that again. It just may set me off.
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I think I discussed childhood events some time ago. No need to do that again. It just may set me off.
You are to be commended for being able to discuss this on the forum..
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Old 10-04-2014, 06:48 PM
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Re: Homosexuality question

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That's a lie. I said it was my general opinion of anyone in that situation, not your son as though I belittled him. I belittled no one. I criticize their motives and intentions. I said they're severely mistaken as though they think they know more than what they actually do. They have need to be less arrogant, though I do not think they intend on being arrogant.

You need to know the significance of intention.



Another falsehood.

I intended no such thing. I said that in general, the homosexuality community has rallied with the new idea hardly ever before espoused, if at all, that they are born that way due to the outcry against the sin. If someone is born that way, then they are implying they are not responsible. I am not saying everyone who claims they're born with the perversion says so because they want to excuse themselves, but I believe the one who started that nonsense intended an excuse.


Deserves to burn in hell? Where did that come from. It's like one of those words such as HOMOPHOBIA which implies people against the sin are afraid of it, when fear has nothing to do with it. Repulsion, yes. But not fear. lol.

God is the one who determines who deserves what. Not us.



Sorry. You sound like the man who asked a question to Churchill that Churchill claimed was a baited question.... "Do you STILL beat your wife? Answer yes or no only."

The problem your words fall under is in thinking that with all YOU know about a situation, having tried all YOU KNOW, that you you exhausted every possible scenario or explanation, when in reality it was only all YOU knew. You're human and do NOT KNOW every possibility. Sorry. Trying to dismiss the God of the bible tends to make people act like God themselves.
Am I a liar?
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Old 10-04-2014, 07:42 PM
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Re: Homosexuality question

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Am I a liar?
The scriptures clearly say it. Let every men be a liar and God be true.

The reason is simple since we are humans we are bound to be incorrect and wrong about a great many things. So when we speak we say things that are not true, therefore we lie, and if we lie, then we are liars.
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The scriptures clearly say it. Let every men be a liar and God be true.

The reason is simple since we are humans we are bound to be incorrect and wrong about a great many things. So when we speak we say things that are not true, therefore we lie, and if we lie, then we are liars.
Thanks, but I'd like to hear Mike's answer. He said twice that I posted lies. Well, one was a lie and one was a falsehood. I wouldn't be surprised if he weasels out of this, somehow. We'll see.
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Re: Homosexuality question

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Those were examples of what I wasn't asking.

I asked previously, about my gay son:
So, if he never repents and does whatever else you think he has to do to be saved, will he deserve to burn in hell?
If a person never repents they will die in their sins and perish. The problem is people are thinking a sodomite needs to repent of "not wanting or being able to marry a woman and of being tempted."

What people must do is "stop sinning" and follow Jesus and his teachings, trusting in HIM as their saviour from sin, death, and hell.

So if YOUR SON "never repents" then it won't really matter if he's "gay" or "straight". No repentance = guaranteed trip to gehenna. And both he, and all who refuse to repent, of whatever sins, deserve to perish because SIN IS TRANSGRESSION OF LAW ie CRIME and every criminal DESERVES TO BE PUNISHED FOR THEIR CRIMES.

Guess what? All have sinned and therefore all DESERVE the lake of fire. But thank God he offers a pardon if we will REPENT.
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If a person never repents they will die in their sins and perish. The problem is people are thinking a sodomite needs to repent of "not wanting or being able to marry a woman and of being tempted."

What people must do is "stop sinning" and follow Jesus and his teachings, trusting in HIM as their saviour from sin, death, and hell.

So if YOUR SON "never repents" then it won't really matter if he's "gay" or "straight". No repentance = guaranteed trip to gehenna. And both he, and all who refuse to repent, of whatever sins, deserve to perish because SIN IS TRANSGRESSION OF LAW ie CRIME and every criminal DESERVES TO BE PUNISHED FOR THEIR CRIMES.

Guess what? All have sinned and therefore all DESERVE the lake of fire. But thank God he offers a pardon if we will REPENT.
Thanks. I guess Mike isn't so sure, though.
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