How to Deal with Church Hurt

[aaronliford07]

Originally Posted by Esphes45

Love comes with the Spirit. You shouldn't have to grow to love. So if you have the spirit of God in you, you shouldn't want to hurt people.

But I will say this. Something that bothers me is when people use the word "perfect" by itself. There is perfection according to the bible and there is natural perfection. I can be perfect according to the Word of God but be as disorganized as a 2 year old child and I will see God's face in peace.

You know what I mean.

Just a pet peeve of mine.

The Bible states that we should grow in the Spirit. We are not automatically perfect once we become saved. I said this in the podcast. This is just like holiness. We are not completely and perfectly holy once being filled with the Spirit. This is why the scripture commands us to "perfect holiness in the fear of the LORD...." It is a growing process.

[Esphes45]

Originally Posted by aaronliford07

The Bible states that we should grow in the Spirit. We are not automatically perfect once we become saved. I said this in the podcast. This is just like holiness. We are not completely and perfectly holy once being filled with the Spirit. This is why the scripture commands us to "perfect holiness in the fear of the LORD...." It is a growing process.

AMEN. I agree.

Maybe I was not clear.

1. Love comes with the Spirit of God. No Love, No Spirit. If his spirit is dwelling/working in you, you will have/show Love. Period. God is love. If his spirit is there then love is there.

Please read:
1 John 4:12 - 13

No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.

13 Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.

2. Perfect - All I said is it bothers me when people use the word "perfect" by itself because there are 2 types of perfection biblical perfection and natural perfection. I just don't want people to be confused about what we are trying to say. You do not know who is reading these posts.

[Aquila]

Forgive. Choose to love.

[Steve Epley]

Getting hurt is part of the process. When we ask The Lord to be like Him then we must have fellowship with His sufferings. Truthfully even at our best we hurt and disappoint people. If we are not careful we expect more of others than we do ourselves. If we learn from our hurts we are better for it if not we have to have the same lesson again. I try to pass the test the first time. taking the test again ain't fun.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Getting hurt is part of the process. When we ask The Lord to be like Him then we must have fellowship with His sufferings. Truthfully even at our best we hurt and disappoint people. If we are not careful we expect more of others than we do ourselves. If we learn from our hurts we are better for it if not we have to have the same lesson again. I try to pass the test the first time. taking the test again ain't fun.

[Abiding Now]

Looks like from posts I read around here, just find yourself another church, then when that doesn't work, stay home and post as an expert on the internet about Apostolic churches .

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Abiding Now

Looks like from posts I read around here, just find yourself another church, then when that doesn't work, stay home and post as an expert on the internet about Apostolic churches .

What exactly are saints to do if their church is wallowing in false doctrine? Stay anyway?

And how is this any different than catholics staying true to their church "warts and all"?

I ask this seriously. I know thereare people who church hop for wrong reasons but not everyone who is "unchurched" is that way because of stupid carnal reasons.

[Abiding Now]

Originally Posted by Esaias

What exactly are saints to do if their church is wallowing in false doctrine? Stay anyway?

And how is this any different than catholics staying true to their church "warts and all"?

I ask this seriously. I know thereare people who church hop for wrong reasons but not everyone who is "unchurched" is that way because of stupid carnal reasons.

Thankfully in my life, I've never had to deal with a "church is wallowing in false doctrine", so I can't answer. And then we have to define "false doctrine" which for some covers everything from singing out of a song book to divorce.

[Dante]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

I dont think God thinks its unrealistic for his people to be perfect and holy. I think he expects all of them to be. So perhaps many Church hurts happen because believers are to far from God.

The closer we get to Christ the harder we will be to offend. If we are mature in the faith we will think twice before hurting someone in the first place.

According this line of thinking, a young teen aged girl shouldn't be offended when her pastor rapes her. Or, perhaps church folks shouldn't be offended when the pastor spends tithe money on personal items and luxuries instead of using it for the ministry. I guess if someone is far from God, they should not be offended of these happenings.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Dante

According this line of thinking, a young teen aged girl shouldn't be offended when her pastor rapes her. Or, perhaps church folks shouldn't be offended when the pastor spends tithe money on personal items and luxuries instead of using it for the ministry. I guess if someone is far from God, they should not be offended of these happenings.

I see English isnt your native tongue. Either that or logic isnt your native thought process.

Michael said the closer one is to God the harder it would be to get offended. Namely because closeness to God produces less inclination to take offenses or reproaches personally.

It doesnt mean getting offended is impossible or a sin itself. And who in the world would say of a rapist "he offended me"? More like "he devastated me and violated me" not "he upset me".

Your extreme red herring betrays another agenda.