Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Father?

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

Everyone but MtD seems to be missing the point I'm making. I have not and so far, do not plan to, dive into the theological aspect of this discussion.

I am merely making the point that words have meaning, and we can't just use them however we want. Since I am not a Trinitarian, nor ever have been, nor ever will be, I will never use the word Trinitarian to describe myself or my theological understanding of the Godhead.

Why? Because I do not affirm the Trinitarian view of God.

So, if I do not affirm the Oneness view of the Godhead, then likewise I should not call myself Oneness.

Think about the average man on the street:

You say, "Hi, I'm a Oneness believer in Jesus Christ"

They say, "Oh, you believe Jesus is the Father?"

You say, "Nope, I don't believe Jesus is the Father."

They say, "Then you aren't Oneness."

See what I mean?

Yes I see Bro. Very good point. I'm always shocked when this topic comes up. Its almost like the Oneness doctrine is being lost all over again.

It was hard for me in the beginning to see how that the early Church could have all but lost the truth it was delivered within 200 years more or less.

Now it was fully recovered less than 100 years ago. Millions have come to its light. But now it seems to be fading possibly more quickly than in the beginning!

I really hold the Ministers largely responsible. Instead of having a strategy for teaching truth and taking it serious we have entertainment type preaching. People like "hot" preaching! Jehovah Witnesses train their converts and get them witnessing immediately. I have hardly met any "Apostolics" that I would trust to go out and represent the true gospel.

I knew one group in the Jesus movement where in 6 months they were expected to memorize 500 verses. And yet Apostolics walk around like the Emperor with his new clothes.

The worse part is when one of them gets their eyes open to some tradition of men they are being fed they immediately turn back FROM TRUTH that they have been taught (like Oneness) and go shopping among Trins and Arians because they no longer trust their leaders.

I thank God through Jesus Christ that we have the book of Revelation to let us know there will be end time overcomers!