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Old 11-02-2014, 10:32 PM
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Mark 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Mark 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

Mark 16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
Using that passage if tongues is a requirement of salvation for every believer, then they must also personally cast out devils and heal the sick. To say nothing of taking up serpents and drinking deadly poison. The Snake Handlers are oneness and more apostolic than all you UPCers in that case. Beyond that this is classic picking and choosing. Take verse 17, make it universal, ignore verse 18. Or rather take verse 17 and take it literal, and verse 18 as symbolic. Really verse 17 and 18 apply to the church as a body, corporately, these are the signs that will be present in/amongst the church. They are not for each believer. Again, if they are then add to your laundry list of salvation requirements healing the sick and casting out at least one devil.
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Old 11-03-2014, 07:13 AM
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Using that passage if tongues is a requirement of salvation for every believer, then they must also personally cast out devils and heal the sick. To say nothing of taking up serpents and drinking deadly poison. The Snake Handlers are oneness and more apostolic than all you UPCers in that case. Beyond that this is classic picking and choosing. Take verse 17, make it universal, ignore verse 18. Or rather take verse 17 and take it literal, and verse 18 as symbolic. Really verse 17 and 18 apply to the church as a body, corporately, these are the signs that will be present in/amongst the church. They are not for each believer. Again, if they are then add to your laundry list of salvation requirements healing the sick and casting out at least one devil.
WHO said tongues were "a requirement for salvation"?
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Old 11-03-2014, 08:14 AM
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No one seems to understand what I'm saying much of the time-might this be interpreted as 'speaking in tongues?'
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No one seems to understand what I'm saying much of the time-might this be interpreted as 'speaking in tongues?'
Roughly equivalent, yep.
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WHO said tongues were "a requirement for salvation"?


Phrase it how you want, that's what you believe.
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Phrase it how you want, that's what you believe.
You're so predictable with your easy believism. I'm not sure that you know what you believe much less what I believe. Jesus says, "these signs shall follow them that believe" and Jason says "no, Jesus is wrong, they are not for each believer". Now really how goofy is that.
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You're so predictable with your easy believism. I'm not sure that you know what you believe much less what I believe. Jesus says, "these signs shall follow them that believe" and Jason says "no, Jesus is wrong, they are not for each believer". Now really how goofy is that.
I hope you exercise better reading comprehension when you study scripture than when you read my posts. I think they all go right over your head. Or to you just believe whatever your pastor tells you to believe.

Now if you believe that every believer will speak in tongues then do you also believe that every believer will cast out devils, heal the sick, take up serpents, and drink deadly poison?

If yes, explain why.
If no, explain why.
After all "Jesus said it".

Please provide an actual answer. But Ive got a feeling all you can do is post a smiley to cover up your lack of ability to post a thoughtful response. We shall see.
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Yikes, that escalated quickly, huh?
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You're so predictable with your easy believism. I'm not sure that you know what you believe much less what I believe. Jesus says, "these signs shall follow them that believe" and Jason says "no, Jesus is wrong, they are not for each believer". Now really how goofy is that.
Is Jesus wrong about taking up serpents and drinking deadly poison?
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