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[obriencp]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I believe that we need a revelation of Grace.

I agree, but grace is a scary thing to a lot of people. Some people like a lot of rules to follow and are thus attracted to certain sects of christianity. They feel more secure in their salvation if they have boxes they can check off. Also, there is a hyper-grace movement that is just as harmful as legalism, just on the other extreme of the spectrum.

Most of us are used to a this for that type of system in our lives and it's hard to accept a "no-strings attached" gift like salvation. Obviously there are commands and lifestyle things we live out, but those are done out of love and obedience once we've accepted that great gift. Doing these things out of a sense of indebtedness is the wrong approach, IE earning our salvation.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by obriencp

I agree, but grace is a scary thing to a lot of people. Some people like a lot of rules to follow and are thus attracted to certain sects of christianity. They feel more secure in their salvation if they have boxes they can check off. Also, there is a hyper-grace movement that is just as harmful as legalism, just on the other extreme of the spectrum.

Most of us are used to a this for that type of system in our lives and it's hard to accept a "no-strings attached" gift like salvation. Obviously there are commands and lifestyle things we live out, but those are done out of love and obedience once we've accepted that great gift. Doing these things out of a sense of indebtedness is the wrong approach, IE earning our salvation.

[Aquila]

To me, love demands more than a law, rule, or standard ever can. I believe that when we die and stand before our maker, our lives will be judged. Every thought, word, deed, and intent will be weighed as to if it's primary motivation was love or not. I don't believe God will check of a list of standards or OT commandments and tally up how often we kept them or didn't keep them.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Aquila

To me, love demands more than a law, rule, or standard ever can. I believe that when we die and stand before our maker, our lives will be judged. Every thought, word, deed, and intent will be weighed as to if it's primary motivation was love or not. I don't believe God will check of a list of standards or OT commandments and tally up how often we kept them or didn't keep them.

Scripture please?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Eh, I have nothing to say that you guys haven't heard already. Doctrines of grace:

1. Election (God's choice of a covenant people to be saved according to His sovereign will, purpose, and foreknowledge)

2. Predestination (God's predetermined glory for His chosen Elect people)

3. Atonement (Christ's work of satisfying the demands of the law for all men)

4. Propitiation (Christ's satisfying God's wrath against the sins of all men)

5. Prevenient Grace (the drawing of the lost through the Holy Spirit)

6. Conversion (faith, repentance & water baptism)

7. Justification (imputed righteousness)

8. Regeneration (being born again of the Spirit)

9. Adoption (membership in God's family)

10. Sanctification (the act of taking part in the divine nature and the process whereby we are conformed into the image and likeness of Christ)

11. Death (the intermediate state wherein the soul of the saint of God is present with the Lord in Heaven awaiting resurrection & glorification)

12. Resurrection & Glorification (receiving a resurrected and transformed body in glorified form that is fashioned perfectly into the image of Christ)

And beyond these doctrines a life of living according to the "Law of Love" as opposed to the Law of God (Ten Commandments) or the Law of Moses (over three hundred laws given to Israel). The Law of Love (Law of Christ) demands only two things:

1.) Love God with all your heart, mind, soul, and strength.

2.) Demonstrate your love for God by loving others as yourself.

There is no dichotomy between "the law of God" and the "law of Christ". Christ was asked how to have eternal life and He pointed to those troublesome ten commandments. The two commandments cited by Christ as the GREATEST commandments were promulgated by Moses in Deut (the shema) and Leviticus (love your neighbor). Besides even if the ten commandments or any other commandment of God is "less" than the Big Two Christ still said something about those who break the least commandmwnts and teach others to as well.

Your views about the aspects of grace are standard Protestant doctrines put forward by confessions that would nevertheless identify your thoughts on the law of God as "antinomianism". Which I find ironic.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Aquila

To me, love demands more than a law, rule, or standard ever can. I believe that when we die and stand before our maker, our lives will be judged. Every thought, word, deed, and intent will be weighed as to if it's primary motivation was love or not. I don't believe God will check of a list of standards or OT commandments and tally up how often we kept them or didn't keep them.

i have come to believe that this happens in the now, or I AM...

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Eh, I have nothing to say that you guys haven't heard already.

And beyond these doctrines a life of living according to the "Law of Love" as opposed to the Law of God (Ten Commandments) or the Law of Moses (over three hundred laws given to Israel). The Law of Love (Law of Christ) demands only two things:

1.) Love God with all your heart, mind, soul, and strength.

2.) Demonstrate your love for God by loving others as yourself.

just another person that disparages and disrespects the Law of God (the Ten Commandments)

If you love God then you will his Ten Commandments.

These are the commandments given by God not by men.
of course to people raised in UPCI circles, the commandments of men rank (like no shaving and other nonsense) rank higher than the commandments of God.