Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Father?

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by mfblume

I essentially agree. But you miss the deal of baggage. the concept is not an issue of logic, but one thing leads to another and now you have Catholics who Mary mothered God, and therefore Mary must have been sinless and did not need the cross, and the next thing you know people are talking to Mary during prayer more than to The Lord. And that's just ONE avenue.

Mary is the mother of Jesus.

Mary is the mother of God as pertaining to God's person. She is not the mother of God as pertaining to God in his divine nature.

This means, Mary is both the mother of God and not the mother of God.

The dual nature concept that allows one to explain how Jesus could be God (thus never praying) and pray to God is the same concept that allows Mary to be the Mother of God and not be the Mother of God at the same time. Basically anything that pertains to Jesus has to be answered with a yes and no. That's dual nature doctrine.

Did Jesus pray? Yes and no
Did Jesus thirst? Yes and no
Did Jesus die? Yes and no
Was Jesus born of Mary? Yes and no
Did Jesus know everything? Yes and no

[Esaias]

The bible calls her blessed, and she was. But the bible never calls her the mother "of God" whereas it does say God laid down his life for us and also that he purchased us with his blood.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by jfrog

Mary is the mother of Jesus.

Mary is the mother of God as pertaining to God's person. She is not the mother of God as pertaining to God in his divine nature.

This means, Mary is both the mother of God and not the mother of God.

The dual nature concept that allows one to explain how Jesus could be God (thus never praying) and pray to God is the same concept that allows Mary to be the Mother of God and not be the Mother of God at the same time. Basically anything that pertains to Jesus has to be answered with a yes and no. That's dual nature doctrine.

Did Jesus pray? Yes and no
Did Jesus thirst? Yes and no
Did Jesus die? Yes and no
Was Jesus born of Mary? Yes and no
Did Jesus know everything? Yes and no

Again I ask, what is the point of your issue? If you believe Jesus is wholly God then why the stress with those who agree as to whether Mary is God's mother or not?

lol

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Again I ask, what is the point of your issue? If you believe Jesus is wholly God then why the stress with those who agree as to whether Mary is God's mother or not?

lol

Because it shows a lack of logical coherency that pushed and still pushes many away from the faith.

If you want to call Jesus God then at least have decency to attribute everything that Jesus did to God in some way.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by jfrog

Because it shows a lack of logical coherency that pushed and still pushes many away from the faith.

If you want to call Jesus God then at least have decency to attribute everything that Jesus did to God in some way.

For some reason that doesn't seem to be the real answer.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by jfrog

Because it shows a lack of logical coherency that pushed and still pushes many away from the faith.

If you want to call Jesus God then at least have decency to attribute everything that Jesus did to God in some way.

So are you saying we push many away from the faith because we don't cinfess Mary is the mothrr of God? Or are you saying we push many away from the faith because we confess Jesus is God?

Just what "faith" are you talking about, catholicis? Unitarianism?

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Esaias

So are you saying we push many away from the faith because we don't cinfess Mary is the mothrr of God? Or are you saying we push many away from the faith because we confess Jesus is God?

Just what "faith" are you talking about, catholicis? Unitarianism?

Many are pushed away from the faith due to lack of logical coherency in the doctrine being taught. Refusing to state Mary is the Mother of God after claiming to believe Jesus is God is just an example of that much larger issue.


As far as which faith I'm speaking about, I'm speaking about Christians in general. Catholics, baptists, pentecostals, oneness, trinity and so on...

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Esaias

The bible calls her blessed, and she was. But the bible never calls her the mother "of God" whereas it does say God laid down his life for us and also that he purchased us with his blood.

Who birthed the one that laid down his life for us and also purchased us with his own blood? Who birthed the one it calls God?

[Sean]

Was God BORN???

[Timmy]

Originally Posted by jfrog

Because it shows a lack of logical coherency that pushed and still pushes many away from the faith.

If you want to call Jesus God then at least have decency to attribute everything that Jesus did to God in some way.

Logic, schmogic.