born of water

[good samaritan]

Originally Posted by Originalist

really. God does not forgive someone being baptized based on the words the baptizer says. That is mysticism.

I believe God forgives at repentance, but baptism is the graveyard ceremony. Who would leave a dead body laying around? You are right that it isn't a magical formula, but an inward work between God and the individual. The thing is that if there is an inward work there is going to be a desire for obedience.

This reminds me of grace vs. works debates. It is true that my salvation is built upon faith in Jesus Christ and his sacrifice. James says it best, "you show your faith without works, and I'll show you my faith by my works." Jesus name invocation is essential because in order to do things with Gods authority we must do it with his directions.

The formula isn't mystical it's obedience. My turning to God and accepting Him as Lord of my life is where I find salvation. How can a person say Jesus is their Lord if they don't obey His word. Doesn't calling Him Lord mean we are under his authority. Jesus name baptism isn't mysticism but it is part of obedience to His word.