Hebrews 1: 1 -2 "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;"
So Jesus isn't God? What is the point of this passage in this discussion?
So Jesus isn't God? What is the point of this passage in this discussion?
En huioi means “in son” or “in the son”. He is the one through whom the worlds were made.
“Through whom also He made the worlds” – Hebrews 1:2 “Through” is “dia”, meaning, “by means of”.
John 1:1-3;14 “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,”
The Word is not separate from God, therefore, Jesus is not separate from God.
Conclusion: God became his own son. Or rather, God became a son - "(and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth..." John 1:14
And if Isaiah 42:8 says, "I am the Lord; that is my name; and my glory will I not give to another.....", it is NOT possible that God is NOT the son if we can behold that "glory" in Jesus Christ.
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"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."
PO had it right:
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,”
En huioi means “in son” or “in the son”. He is the one through whom the worlds were made.
“Through whom also He made the worlds” – Hebrews 1:2 “Through” is “dia”, meaning, “by means of”.
John 1:1-3;14 “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,”
The Word is not separate from God, therefore, Jesus is not separate from God.
Conclusion: God became his own son. Or rather, God became a son - "(and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth..." John 1:14
And if Isaiah 42:8 says, "I am the Lord; that is my name; and my glory will I not give to another.....", it is NOT possible that God is NOT the son if we can behold that "glory" in Jesus Christ.
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Originally Posted by n david
"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."
PO had it right:
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,”
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