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Originally Posted by shazeep
i find little to argue with there; yet it begs the question why we don't abate physical death by redemption?
ok, i maintain that the spiritually dead are dead to God; yet even those are still obviously capable of thought and speech, and may desire the Spirit. My reasoning here is that God has power over mortal life, but grants choice in the spiritual life, iow physical death is meaningless to God--and possibly our preoccupation with it is an indicator of this--and Spiritual death--which we only see poorly, if at all--is all that matters to God.
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Originally Posted by mfblume
Spiritual death is very real. When the bible speaks of dead in trespasses and sins, it refers to spiritual alienation from God. And when we are saved we are baptized into HIS DEATH to resurrect into newness of life right now. We are alive from the dead after having been baptized into His death. And Rom 6:11 says we must reconcile ourselves to be alive unto God, so we can then render ourselves to Him as those alive from the dead. |
Mike
I agree that natural death was inherited from Adam, but at what point, and how?
1Co 15:21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
Do we die natural death because of the fall, or because Adam was created from the dust of the ground?
Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
In forming man from the dust of the ground man was created mortal from the beginning. By breathing the breath of life into us we also became a living soul. Which makes us both mortal and spiritual, our mortality did not come from the fall, we were already mortal meaning Adam would have died at some point naturally. All mankind are born from the seed of Adam which is mortal. At the fall we became spiritually dead.
This is the primary death we should be concerned about, not so much as our mortal state. Granted the death of Christ gave us the ability to change not only our mortal state but more importantly our spiritual state.
If I understand Shazeep correctly I agree we are too wrapped up with mortally living forever than spiritually.
We have been down this road before, but again, what difference does it make whether this body rises from the grave, or our soul rises from the grave and we are given a new spiritual body. As Peter wrote, "I have a new tabernacle prepared for me when I die".
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