Original Sin

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Originally Posted by thephnxman

An opinion: I agree.

"I" am in error? Or is everyone in error...?

If it was just for Adam to "rule forever", then YES; you would be correct. But you are missing
some vital evidence and information. It is found everywhere we look: on earth, and in the
universe. It is that everything is eroding; that is, getting old and dying out: and that which
is dying out is also being renewed.

It is the witness of death that brings the promise of life, for without death, there would be no
need of being renewed. It is the same with the day beginning in the evening, and is followed
by darkness: and then comes the promise of LIGHT. The evening represents OUR beginning in
creation; the night, the fall of man; the morning, our redemption. This witness is found in the
first six days: so it represents our creation to the END of our redemption: it is six days. Now
the sixth day is also from the evening, to the morning. So now the morning AFTER the sixth day
is the Day of Rest. It is eternal.

Yes, Beloved, you missed it. Not that I ever responded: but a dictionary will never resolve
our questions. Our witness lies in the content and context of scripture: it can only be found by
the Spirit that spoke to Moses.

Simon Peter's and Nicodemus' testimony are the same: "Blessed art thou, Simon Bar
Jonah, for flesh and blood hast not revealed this unto you but my Father which is in heaven."

No, we will not live forever in a place that was not meant to abide forever. The Church
is eternal, and we meant to abide in Him that is eternal. When the believer received
the Holy Spirit, as we have obeyed the gospel, we have received eternity.

Scripture, as you say, is the deciding factor. We can't speculate and say that God foreordained man to not live on the earth forever because he foresaw man's fall and satan's rebellion, though.

Again, eternal means there is no beginning as well as no ending. So, the church is not eternal. It had a beginning.

To say everything is eroding, as in the second law of thermodynamics, called entropy, is still speculation to use that and say we were not meant to liver forever physically. I am not dogmatic about this next point, but who is to say the universe did not start degrading til Adam sinned? If not, how do you know? And who knows? Maybe a new heaven and earth are literal and that's why they're being made new. For us!

The fact remains that heaven is not an abode for the physical, since we are absent from the body when we die and ware with the Lord.

But you still never told me where you feel we'll spend eternity, location-wise.

If we leave the bible "as is," and realize redemption is returning us back to prefall status of Adam, the plainest picture is we shall rule forever in the physical on the earth.