Original Sin

[thephnxman]

Originally Posted by Lafon

(1) You still don't get it! You are, in essence, stating that God, who is PERFECT, choose to
create an IMPERFECT earth and IMPERFECT mankind, simply because Adam would, at some point
after his creation come to a moment in time when he would "know sin and death." Preposterous!
That is re-writing the biblical story of creation to suit your corrupt philosophy, and its simply NOT true! According to your philosophy an IMPERFECT God created man "in His IMPERFECT image" and "after His IMPERFECT" likeness!
Where it is written, or even insinuated, anywhere in the scriptural record, that God created things with an "EXPIRATION DATE," as you seem to be alleging? Its NOT there! It was the introduction of sin which brought about the death of all things!
(2) God did NOT "curse" the ground until AFTER Adam sinned, implying that at its creation it was, like man before sin corrupted his body, created in PERFECTION. Go read Genesis 3:17 wherein it is written in clear and unmistakable language; "cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life."

If Adam had not sinned he would have been able to continue to eat the herbs of the field and the fruits of the trees as God had been providing him prior to his act of sinful rebellion against His commandment!
(3) Genesis 1:1 states "In the beginning" because that what it was PRIOR to the existence of God's creation of the VISIBLE, substantive universe and all that is therein, including mankind! Instead of the word "universe" in this passage, we find the word "heaven" instead, for that is what the universe is, the heavens.
(4) Absolutely NOTHING existed until God spoke it into existence through the power of His Word. And, because God is PERFECT, then everything that He created was created as PERFECT, barring none. Even Satan, as an angel named Lucifer, was said to be PERFECT in his beginning, for God, being PERFECT, is incapable of creating things which are IMPERFECT!

(1) Beloved, you should not call God’s plan preposterous just because you don’t understand it.
God KNEW Adam would sin: Gen. 2:17; or do you believe that God IS NOT omniscient?

Where have I said God was imperfect? Where have I misquoted scripture?
No, an omniscient
God created a perfect man, and “clothed” the man in a body of dust from a world that
was to be “…dissolved…”

Do you see that everything in the universe is dying? Why? Because it is created in time:
with a beginning and an end. In other words, the heavens and the earth are enclosed in time.
They are meant to “…pass away…”.

(2) Why did God curse the ground…was it not to affect Adam’s work of his hands? So the
earth was cursed “…for YOUR sake…”! Will you limit God: or add to the word?

(3) OK. Let’s use the word heavens and earth. So, nothing has changed. We can
“see” the visible elements of the heavens, because we were given physical
eyes with which to see.

(4) Almost correct: God SPOKE and created everything. However, it was
not by the power of His word; rather, it was “…by the word of His POWER.”
What you are saying is that you don’t know God’s plan: NO ONE called God imperfect or that
He created imperfection. Yet there is imperfection and sin: so, how do you explain that?

But answer MY question: Where was the heavens before they were created? God is eternal
and He fills all of eternity: where was he hiding the heavens? Did He make a void in eternity to place
the heavens (universe) and all that is therein?