Brother Irvin Baxter Jr Endtime Magazine

[Aquila]

This is the first time ever that denying a Futuristic prophetic theory... will not make it go away.

[Aquila]

Think about it. If the Muslims do unite under a man claiming to be the al Mahdi, the Preterists will say, "Yeah, but he isn't the Antichrist." And then when they march on Jerusalem and should they conquer it and declare the establishment of the final Caliphate, the Preterists will say, "Yeah, but this isn't the Beast of Revelation." When this Caliphate begins marking people in accordance to Halal to denote those who are allegiant to al Mahdi.. beheading those who refuse, the Preterists will say, "That isn't the mark of the Beast." When nations all over the world are clamoring to make a deal with this madman, the Preterists will say, "Yeah, but this guy who is essentially holding the world hostage isn't taking over the world like some Futurist Antichrist." And should the al Mahdi launch a war that cripples the West with nuclear weapons and the control of oil, the "Preterists still alive will be saying, "Yeah, but this isn't the final show down."

This is the first time in history that... agree or not... the very prophetic model Futurism has proposed is something 1.6 billion people are preparing to fulfill.

Do you see how DIFFERENT this Futurist position is now??? You can deny it and reject it. But these guys are real and already here. And their mission is to bring about events that essentially mirror almost exactly what Futurists have predicted. Denying this "theory" will not make it go away. This isn't a "theory"... this is an now our "reality". This is the threat the entire world is now facing.

[mfblume]

Two can play with that logic of a point.

This manner of logic can be answered with a simple point... let's say futurism is not true. Futurists will forever be saying, "That did not pan out, but it's not over yet. It will come someday..." and can never be convinced otherwise.

Originally Posted by Aquila

Think about it. If the Muslims do unite under a man claiming to be the al Mahdi, the Preterists will say, "Yeah, but he isn't the Antichrist." And then when they march on Jerusalem and should they conquer it and declare the establishment of the final Caliphate, the Preterists will say, "Yeah, but this isn't the Beast of Revelation." When this Caliphate begins marking people in accordance to Halal to denote those who are allegiant to al Mahdi.. beheading those who refuse, the Preterists will say, "That isn't the mark of the Beast." When nations all over the world are clamoring to make a deal with this madman, the Preterists will say, "Yeah, but this guy who is essentially holding the world hostage isn't taking over the world like some Futurist Antichrist." And should the al Mahdi launch a war that cripples the West with nuclear weapons and the control of oil, the "Preterists still alive will be saying, "Yeah, but this isn't the final show down."

This is the first time in history that... agree or not... the very prophetic model Futurism has proposed is something 1.6 billion people are preparing to fulfill.

Do you see how DIFFERENT this Futurist position is now??? You can deny it and reject it. But these guys are real and already here. And their mission is to bring about events that essentially mirror almost exactly what Futurists have predicted. Denying this "theory" will not make it go away. This isn't a "theory"... this is an now our "reality". This is the threat the entire world is now facing.

When the Catholics were massacring protestants in the middle ages, that was real then and they were alive then, too. But it was not what the bible foretold, though you could not convince sme of the people of the time about that.

[mfblume]

For this to be true, and I've said it before... God expects us to understanding prophecy correctly by reading the Koran. Sorry, but that's bad fruit that exposes the whole concept's error.

You would not KNOW or conceive such a thing had you not researched false doctrine texts. So, the one who has understanding, according to Revelation 13, so that one can count the number of the beast requires knowledge of the Koran. That proves it's error to me.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Yes, I got your point. And I agree, they ripped off the Bible, changed some names and locations. But are you getting what I'm trying to say in post #26?

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...9&postcount=26

No...please phrase it like this "The point I am trying to make is..." and limit it to one short sentence with punctuation

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by mfblume

For this to be true, and I've said it before... God expects us to understanding prophecy correctly by reading the Koran. Sorry, but that's bad fruit that exposes the whole concept's error.

You would not KNOW or conceive such a thing had you not researched false doctrine texts. So, the one who has understanding, according to Revelation 13, so that one can count the number of the beast requires knowledge of the Koran. That proves it's error to me.

Good

[Disciple4life]

I have wasted too much of my life looking for the antichrist, signs & biblical codes that only one person can tell me by buying his book for $14.95!

[Esaias]

Like I said, the parallels exist for a reason. Anyway, for brother Blume... I would say the persecutions of the medieval and early modern period are very much found in prophecy.

But back to the Mahdi. I remember two decades ago it was Maitreya. Almost a BILLION Hindus plus several million New Agers all looking for Maitreya... who eould be considered God incarnate, would correct all religions, solve the mid east peace crisis, initiate an end to wealth inequality, end wars by establishing one united global government, one united economy, and one united religion. Almost a BILLION people looking for this guy.

Now that Islam is the political distraction provided for the West as designed, it's the Mahdi.

The futurist antichrist cannot be the "Mahdi" for the following reasons:

1. Futurism's concept of a singular, personal Antichrist at the end of days just prior to the Second Advent is error. If futurism is itself unscriptural error, then ANY prediction it makes about a supposed Antichrist must of necessity be error also.

2. But let's assume futurism is correct as a scheme of interpretation. The Mahdi still could not be the "Antichrist". According to futurism's interpretation if Daniel, the Antichrist will honour a god unknown to his ancestors. If the Mahdi honoured any god other than Allah, every Muslim would immediately rebel against him and his support base would evaporate overnight.

3. The Mahdi will supposedly impose Islam on the world. If he imposes anything BUT Islam, every Muslim would go into jihadi mode against him. The Mahdi would have no support and would BY DEFINITION not be al-Mahdi. So he must be Islamic and must bring the world into Islam. But who in the west would ever accept Islam? The Antichrist will supposedly lull the ENTIRE WORLD into submission and adoration. But if the Antichrist is Muslim imposing Islam BY LAW AND BY FORCE then NOBODY EXCEPT MUSLIMS would ever follow him. Which means the Antichrist would be nothing more than a jihadi Caliph waging war on the west - something we have been through SEVERAL TIMES BEFORE ALREADY. Crusades, anyone? Kosovo, Ordo Draconis, Templars? The Antichrist prophecies would have ALREADY BEEN FULFILLED hundreds of years ago!

4. Now we have the suggestion being made that the Mahdi in the al-Aqsa mosque is the man of sin in the temple of God. Need this be debunked? Seriously? The al-Aqsa mosque is the Temple of God? This is so obviously ridiculous as to not need a response other than to affirm "temple of YHVH" and Muslim mosque are NOT the same thing. Anyone who thinks otherwise is beyond help.

Now, no question the Mahdi myth is being manipulated by certain elements. ISIS for example? ISIS, a western creation and tool, is no more representative of general Islam than the Arabs were under Sir Lawrence. Oh wait... how many even know who "Lawrence of Arabia" was, and what his mission was? You know, the British military and intelligence specialist tasked with creating an Arabic (Muslim) "freedom fighter" outfit to destabilize the Arabian peninsula as part of Britain's protracted war against the Ottoman Empire... "wahabbi" anyone? Kind of like when the USA financed and set up an Arabic-run "freedom fighter" force to destabilize Afghanistan in a proxy war against the Soviets... that force being known as "al-Qaeda" and run by CIA contact Usama bin Laden of Saudi Arabia.

We live in days of deception. Futurism, sadly, is PART OF THE DECEPTION.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Think about it. If the Muslims do unite under a man claiming to be the al Mahdi,

Than I'll buy you a steak.

Originally Posted by Aquila

And then when they march on Jerusalem and should they conquer it and declare the establishment of the final Caliphate,

I'll throw on my welding mask because the nuclear flash has been know to burn the retinas right out of the eyes. Israelis have been chafing at the bit to use their nuclear weapons. Oh I forgot they aren't supposed to have nuclear weapons. Anyway, the United States would be more than happy to incinerate anyone marching towards Tel Aviv.

Originally Posted by Aquila

When this Caliphate begins marking people in accordance to Halal to denote those who are allegiant to al Mahdi.. beheading those who refuse,

Then you will get to see the Caliphate hung upside down from Cypress trees, while a man with a CAT hat, overalls, and chawing REDMAN is asking his friends Boudreaux and Thibodeaux, to take a picture of him standing by the victims armed with his AK 47.

Originally Posted by Aquila

And should the al Mahdi launch a war that cripples the West with nuclear weapons and the control of oil, the

No, the Preterists will be saying that you all can buy property cheap is the Middle East, and gas is now 0.50 a gallon, because there is nothing left of the Mahdi and his bros but a faint shadowed outline left by the AN602 hydrogen bomb dropped on them.

Originally Posted by Aquila

This is the first time in history that... agree or not... the very prophetic model Futurism has proposed is something 1.6 billion people are preparing to fulfill.

Funny? When I was young, and in school, they had bomb drills which they would make us duck and cover under our school desks. Back then it was the Red Menace take your pick USSR, or Communist China. Both were supposedly bearing down on us, and we would hear warning sirens on television stations telling us in case of an emergency we would be warned where to get shelter. A movie called "the day after" scared all who watched in in the USA, and a movie called "Threads" flipped out all who watched it in the UK. I said all that to say this, every Empire has a boogie man, and if the boogie man gets too real the Empire goes out and places a bullet smack dab between his eyes.

I don't make these rules, but there is money to be made, and if a one world leader comes around and tries to grab all the cookies for himself, Then the rest of the kids are going to upset and place cyanide into his little milk carton.

Originally Posted by Aquila

Do you see how DIFFERENT this Futurist position is now???

Same devil, different dress. You aren't the first one to blow your horn and scream the sky is falling. You have a long list of individuals who had picked out world leaders to be the Antichrist. Napoleon, Mussolini, Adolf Hitler, Barack Obama, and (I don't know how they will do it, but someone will figure something out) Hillary Clinton?

Originally Posted by Aquila

You can deny it and reject it. But these guys are real and already here. And their mission is to bring about events that essentially mirror almost exactly what Futurists have predicted. Denying this "theory" will not make it go away. This isn't a "theory"... this is an now our "reality". This is the threat the entire world is now facing.

We have always had bad guys, and bad guys have bad things happen to them. The United States of America has plans for their elite, and if anyone comes along riding a camel, and pointing an RPG at anyone... then someone will be more than pleased to saturate bomb their position.

I would hate to see these things happen, and know that it would bring death instead of life. Pray Aquila that what you are proposing never comes to pass, that my children, and Muslim children get a chance to grow up and have families of their own.

It is sad that the word Apocalypse is equated to destruction, and death, because it isn't about that, it is about revealing, an appearance, a revelation.

A revelation of Jesus and His Bride.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Disciple4life

I have wasted too much of my life looking for the antichrist, signs & biblical codes that only one person can tell me by buying his book for $14.95!

Hey can you buy me a steak?