Lee Stoneking Addresses UN

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Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Even the Jews understood He was God....Holman Christian Standard Bible
“ We aren’t stoning You for a good work,” the Jews answered, “ but for blasphemy, because You  — being a man  — make Yourself God.”

New American Standard Bible
The Jews answered Him, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out [to be] God."

King James Bible
The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

John 10:33....

so, it is likely more correct to say that they misunderstood that Christ was God here. We already have evidence of the Jewish leaders' desire to kill Christ for their genuine reasons, which were not based upon mis-hearing by the letter of the Law, but that He manifested God in a way that they could not. These quotes are patently just the excuse they gave, yes? We can even find Christ's reply to this accusation of making Himself God: "Well, that's what YOU say."

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"Being then God’s offspring, we ought not to think that the divine being is like gold or silver or stone, an image formed by the art and imagination of man. 30The times of ignorance God overlooked, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent, 31because he has fixed a day on which he will judge the world in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed; and of this he has given assurance to all by raising him from the dead.”

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Even the Jews understood He was God....Holman Christian Standard Bible
“ We aren’t stoning You for a good work,” the Jews answered, “ but for blasphemy, because You  — being a man  — make Yourself God.”

New American Standard Bible
The Jews answered Him, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out [to be] God."

King James Bible
The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

John 10:33....

Is the same chapter in John that says I am the good shepherd; I know my sheep and my sheep know me just as the Father knows me and I know the Father

Same chapter that says:

My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all[c]; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. I and the Father are one.”

Crikey. It is the same chapter.

I and my Father are one. Often pointed to and used to imply that "I and the Father are the same".

What is that word one?

Same word, same book, used in chapter 17 in a prayer by Jesus and Jesus was praying to who?

20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, 21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22 I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one— 23 I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.

Same Greek word. Translated to "One". Either they are all God or something is wrong with the interpretation of "One" back in your chapter.

I don't think that word for "One" means what you folks say it means. It is used in the context of unity of completely separate and unique individuals.

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Our resident anti-Semitic poster says......

God made a promise to Abraham, and His promise to Abraham's descendants stands today, from the Red Sea to the Euphrates.

Picking and choosing which descendants get what is not our place.

What of the unknown descendants?

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...ghanistan.html

Dozens of Pashtun names and customs sound Jewish, from the Pashtun tribe names of Asheri and Naftali to the Pashtun custom of a wedding chupah and the circumcising of the sons on the eighth day after birth.

More and more research, including ongoing DNA studies, seem to indicate that the West and especially the US has inadvertently been shooting and bombing these people who appear to have descended from the Babylonian Jews. People who celebrate Passover and do not even know why they do it or what it is. People who have carried traditions that are thousands of years old.

Choosing right and wrong between descendants of Abraham, all of whom were promised to become great nations, is different than systematically smart-bombing God's people. What's coming for you and those like you if you actually supported, celebrated, and felt proud of bombing Jews? I wouldn't actually want to be in your shoes.

And you call me anti-Semite.

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um, i think that's where you get to thank God, in the face of persecution but seriously

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

Is the same chapter in John that says I am the good shepherd; I know my sheep and my sheep know me just as the Father knows me and I know the Father

Same chapter that says:

My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all[c]; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. I and the Father are one.”

Crikey. It is the same chapter.

I and my Father are one. Often pointed to and used to imply that "I and the Father are the same".

What is that word one?

Same word, same book, used in chapter 17 in a prayer by Jesus and Jesus was praying to who?

20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, 21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22 I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one— 23 I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.

Same Greek word. Translated to "One". Either they are all God or something is wrong with the interpretation of "One" back in your chapter.

I don't think that word for "One" means what you folks say it means. It is used in the context of unity of completely separate and unique individuals.

amen. but we want a king, to fight our battles for us. Judas already tried to elevate Christ in just this way. I see reflections in "crown of thorns" here, also.

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That's such a disparity between one who studies the bible to learn truth and its detractors.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

Is the same chapter in John that says I am the good shepherd; I know my sheep and my sheep know me just as the Father knows me and I know the Father

Same chapter that says:

My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all[c]; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. I and the Father are one.”

Crikey. It is the same chapter.

I and my Father are one. Often pointed to and used to imply that "I and the Father are the same".

What is that word one?

Same word, same book, used in chapter 17 in a prayer by Jesus and Jesus was praying to who?

20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, 21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22 I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one— 23 I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.

Same Greek word. Translated to "One". Either they are all God or something is wrong with the interpretation of "One" back in your chapter.

I don't think that word for "One" means what you folks say it means. It is used in the context of unity of completely separate and unique individuals.

Who is the Shepherd? The ONE and the SAME - God manifest in the flesh


Oh, give ear, Shepherd of Israel, You who lead Joseph like a flock; You who are enthroned above the cherubim, shine forth! Psalms 80:1

I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep. John 10:11

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

God made a promise to Abraham, and His promise to Abraham's descendants stands today, from the Red Sea to the Euphrates.

Picking and choosing which descendants get what is not our place.

What of the unknown descendants?

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...ghanistan.html

Dozens of Pashtun names and customs sound Jewish, from the Pashtun tribe names of Asheri and Naftali to the Pashtun custom of a wedding chupah and the circumcising of the sons on the eighth day after birth.

More and more research, including ongoing DNA studies, seem to indicate that the West and especially the US has inadvertently been shooting and bombing these people who appear to have descended from the Babylonian Jews. People who celebrate Passover and do not even know why they do it or what it is. People who have carried traditions that are thousands of years old.

Choosing right and wrong between descendants of Abraham, all of whom were promised to become great nations, is different than systematically smart-bombing God's people. What's coming for you and those like you if you actually supported, celebrated, and felt proud of bombing Jews? I wouldn't actually want to be in your shoes.

And you call me anti-Semite.

In the NT covenant, there is no one going to be saved outside of Acts 2:38. If the Jewish people don't embrace that truth, they will be like you - denying that God has come to seek and to save that which are lost. Not believing that God has manifest himself in flesh is anti-christ.

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Originally Posted by mfblume

That's such a disparity between one who studies the bible to learn truth and its detractors.

He doesn't understand that God revealed himself to us in order to save us. It is a revelation. Redemption is a revelation.

Muslims believe that revelation is not redemption, but guidance through life. So, they miss the larger point.

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

He doesn't understand that God revealed himself to us in order to save us. It is a revelation. Redemption is a revelation.

Muslims believe that revelation is not redemption, but guidance through life. So, they miss the larger point.

The whole muslim religion is so fleshly based. Countless physical cleansings, focus on virgins in heaven, etc. Still sacrificing animals!