Lee Stoneking Addresses UN

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by Thinker

Didn't you apologize AFTER YOU GOT CAUGHT???

Saying: "oops??? My Mistake.."

Think you broke the house rule....

I'm playing EXACTLY by the house rules. You're too many fries short in your happy meal to see that.

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by n david

1) Stoneking didn't lie about the wives of obl. He repeated what he was told. Period. He didn't lie. Is your turban wrapped so tightly that you can't understand that simple fact? Stoneking never claimed to meet, baptize or witness the baptism/infilling of the HG of these women.

2) Even after Wilson made it clear what happened, you continue to smear him, labeling him a liar and charlatan. He didn't intend to deceive anyone. You, on the other hand, have done nothing but try to deceive people.


Nope, just saying if you haven't been at every service he's preached, you cannot make the claim that he hasn't corrected the claim.


I get that, being a muslim who serves a dead and false prophet, it's difficult for you to understand how a person filled with the Holy Ghost is able to rightly say, "I give you Jesus"

It's not "arrogant, slimy and self-serving." It's simply the truth!

Peter said "Silver and gold have I none, but such as I have give I you, in the Name of Jesus Christ rise up and walk."

Had you lived when this happened, I bet you would have felt Peter also was "arrogant, slimy and self-serving."

Jesus Christ has given authority and power to all who have received the Holy Ghost and who bear His Name. Stoneking has the authority to stand and declare "I give you Jesus," because Christ gave him the authority to do so.

It's not "arrogant, slimy OR self-serving." It's simply exercising the power and authority given him by the Holy Ghost.

1. The wives story was a lie. Period. So give it up.
2. Wilson apologized. That means he admitted to doing something wrong. Period. Give that up too.

People who tell lies in sermons are not anointed, therefore your comparison to Peter is not applicable.

You recognize the power and authority of this man. I do not. Sorry. Set up your altar of worship for him somewhere else.

[Thinker]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

1. The wives story was a lie. Period. So give it up.
2. Wilson apologized. That means he admitted to doing something wrong. Period. Give that up too.
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WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

1. Stoneking was told that from people living in that area that claim to know what news and media may not have disclosed... So who do we trust his firsthand sources or you some bitter muslim dude living on a apostolic page spewing insults and providing flawed error ridden points from surfing google and wikipedia?? you are no authority..

2. This was taken from Wilsons twitter: "please note this is not our service. This is just a picture of what the UN Chapel looks like. We are sorry for any confusion."

You twist the intent to be some groveling immoral confession.. This was very focused and accurate NOT to some admittance of deception.

The funny thing is this WALKS IN ISLAM guy did the same thing and is as arrogant as always.. and Wii is the one now throwing around names and calling insults


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[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by Thinker

WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

1. Stoneking was told that from people living in that area that claim to know what news and media may not have disclosed... So who do we trust his firsthand sources or you some bitter muslim dude living on a apostolic page spewing insults and providing flawed error ridden points from surfing google and wikipedia?? you are no authority..

2. This was taken from Wilsons twitter: "please note this is not our service. This is just a picture of what the UN Chapel looks like. We are sorry for any confusion."

You twist the intent to be some groveling immoral confession.. This was very focused and accurate NOT to some admittance of deception.

The funny thing is this WALKS IN ISLAM guy did the same thing and is as arrogant as always.. and Wii is the one now throwing around names and calling insults


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The information published on Bin Laden and his personal life after his death is accurate. It did not come from me. It came from published sources. Those published sources come with names, dates, and pictures, You can word as many silly sentences together as you want but no combination of words or sounds can or have changed that.

The sources include (detailed) testimony of Amal Ahmad Abdul Fateh, who married Bin Laden in 2000.

It also includes (detailed) testimony of Kharia Hussain Sabir and Siham Sharif, who were already married to Bin Laden prior to 2000. These three, together with Bin Laden, were taken prisoner during the raid where he was killed.

Yes, these are firsthand sources, with no gain or motive to lie about or cover up 40 more imaginary wives. These (firsthand) sources were interrogated and information taken from these interrogations was checked and cross-checked until nothing was missing. The answer is yes, I do trust these sources and yes, I do trust that nothing was left out during the investigation and yes, these are firsthand sources.

Wondering: Did your holy man have three separate and independent sources that were found living in the same house when Bin Laden was killed? No? The sources I referenced did and according to them they were the only wives that Bin Laden had and they could account for all of his movements over all of the time he was hunted.

Just as a bonus the other two got investigated as well.

Which makes the 40-wife story a lie. It was a lie then and it is still a lie and there is nothing that you can say, or find, or research, that will change that.

As to Wilson and his twitter page who really cares? It got exposed, he cleaned up after himself, took the picture off of his church website, and got slapped around on social media for it. He said sorry. It's over. I suspect the accuracy of his "revival" reports will improve knowing that now people will be checking his stories.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

1. The wives story was a lie. Period. So give it up.

It was a lie from whomever "CP" is that told Stoneking about it. Stoneking did not lie by simply repeating what he was told. I'll give it up when you stop accusing Stoneking of lying about this.

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

2. Wilson apologized. That means he admitted to doing something wrong. Period. Give that up too.

As Thinker pointed out, you're twisting what Wilson stated. It was not an apology of an admission of guilt or wrongdoing. "We are sorry for the confusion" is just that. He didn't intend to deceive, like you have with all your posts about this.

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

People who tell lies in sermons are not anointed, therefore your comparison to Peter is not applicable.

Name one lie Stoneking has told.

He didn't lie about the obl wives, someone else did.
He didn't lie about what he read regarding the voices from hell.

What lie has he told?

God will anoint whomever He wills. You don't have a say in the matter.

I guess Peter was perfect, oh wait, he's the guy who denied Christ and cursed when he did so.

Jesus gave His authority and power to anyone who takes on His Name and is filled with His Spirit.

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

You recognize the power and authority of this man. I do not. Sorry. Set up your altar of worship for him somewhere else.

I don't worship Stoneking, but I believe the Bible. I believe those who have the Name of Jesus and are filled with His Spirit have His authority and power.

What did your dead prophet give you?

[Thinker]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

The information published on Bin Laden and his personal life after his death is accurate. It did not come from me. It came from published sources. Those published sources come with names, dates, and pictures, You can word as many silly sentences together as you want but no combination of words or sounds can or have changed that.

The sources include (detailed) testimony of Amal Ahmad Abdul Fateh, who married Bin Laden in 2000.

It also includes (detailed) testimony of Kharia Hussain Sabir and Siham Sharif, who were already married to Bin Laden prior to 2000. These three, together with Bin Laden, were taken prisoner during the raid where he was killed.

Yes, these are firsthand sources, with no gain or motive to lie about or cover up 40 more imaginary wives. These (firsthand) sources were interrogated and information taken from these interrogations was checked and cross-checked until nothing was missing. The answer is yes, I do trust these sources and yes, I do trust that nothing was left out during the investigation and yes, these are firsthand sources.

Wondering: Did your holy man have three separate and independent sources that were found living in the same house when Bin Laden was killed? No? The sources I referenced did and according to them they were the only wives that Bin Laden had and they could account for all of his movements over all of the time he was hunted.

Just as a bonus the other two got investigated as well.

Which makes the 40-wife story a lie. It was a lie then and it is still a lie and there is nothing that you can say, or find, or research, that will change that.

As to Wilson and his twitter page who really cares? It got exposed, he cleaned up after himself, took the picture off of his church website, and got slapped around on social media for it. He said sorry. It's over. I suspect the accuracy of his "revival" reports will improve knowing that now people will be checking his stories.

This is WALKS IN ISLAM ------ >


you are throwing accusations and assumptions all over the place..
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[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by shazeep

these are all great, PO. I even agree that the Acts 2:38 message must be obeyed; but this doesn't mean that there are not Trinitarians, or countless others, who will not be accepted. When one's dogma becomes the basis for excluding others, rather than saving them, it becomes moot. You don't know but that Walks--for instance--may have a better revelation of Christ than you or i do, regardless of whether he has memorized Acts 2:38 or not.

You think you have been shown the Door, and that's great. You might surely even lead others to Christ using the same words; but the words are not the door. It is your example, before any words were said, that causes ears to hear. Will you still get some "converts" with this "put your feet exactly where i'm putting mine, or you will fall off a cliff" jazz? Surely; but what kind?

If you have a vision of the Door that works for you does not mean that you have discovered the only definition of the Door--or for that matter, even a very good one, being as how it seems so easily accepted, just a little phrase to repeat--better to assume that you have maybe a little glimpse, the slightest idea of what going through that door might be like, imo. You would (both) have Gandhi in hell here, but you say there is no pride involved. This is hypocrisy.

Let's see - You say you believe Acts 2:38 is the message and that you think I have been shown the Door, but then you say I am wrong in standing firm on that view. That's a little contradictory, IMO.

You say Walks has a better understanding about Jesus than I do. I know who Jesus is - God manifest in the flesh. I don' believe Walks espouses that view.

Also, I am sure you will agree, we should be careful who we call a Trinitarian. Many so-called Trinitarians believe that God was manifest in the flesh as Jesus Christ. They simply believe God accomplished three things, we term that as manifestations. It doesn't make them Trinitarians.

Walks is coming from the perspective of a true Trinitarian - one who doesn't believe that God was manifest in the flesh. That is false according to the Word.

This forum was formed for debate and that is what we do here. I don't speak to people, I come in contact with on a daily basis, the same as I do here. Generally, people are not in debate mode in a normal everyday conversation. So, let's not forget that we are more forthright in our opinions here as that is what this forum is geared toward - debate.

One last thing - this is not a ecumenical truth - there is one way and one door. To speak otherwise is not speaking truth.

[shazeep]

so, you have the definitions down pat; and yet there will be many, many, who have memorized Acts 2:38, and still go to hell. Scripture allows for others, who do not accept your dogma, to still be accepted. No matter how much one is programmed to believe that they have an unassailable position, that makes it no more true.

Originally Posted by n david

I get that, being a muslim who serves a dead and false prophet, it's difficult for you to understand how a person filled with the Holy Ghost is able to rightly say, "I give you Jesus"

when your dogma allows you to be nice to your friends, and treat everyone else this poorly, you demonstrate that you are not getting it at all, sorry.

i get that you guys have been lulled into a false sense of salvation, in your insistence upon some mantra, and your baptism, and your babbling. You felt accepted then, and you surely were--by other men, who had decided that they had formulated the Holy Spirit, also. By all means, go, and defend. Repel all other boarders, if you will. Rest secure, if that is what seems best to you. Lead with your index finger. Be justified, above all, in your own eyes.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

Are you saying the truth is somewhere besides in what it says?

I did not respond to any post you made. So, nothing I said was a comment on what scripture Scripture you quoted. I spoke a generality of the Muslim religion being focused on the outward.

[n david]

Originally Posted by shazeep

so, you have the definitions down pat; and yet there will be many, many, who have memorized Acts 2:38, and still go to hell. Scripture allows for others, who do not accept your dogma, to still be accepted. No matter how much one is programmed to believe that they have an unassailable position, that makes it no more true.when your dogma allows you to be nice to your friends, and treat everyone else this poorly, you demonstrate that you are not getting it at all, sorry.

i get that you guys have been lulled into a false sense of salvation, in your insistence upon some mantra, and your baptism, and your babbling. You felt accepted then, and you surely were--by other men, who had decided that they had formulated the Holy Spirit, also. By all means, go, and defend. Repel all other boarders, if you will. Rest secure, if that is what seems best to you. Lead with your index finger. Be justified, above all, in your own eyes.

There's only one Lord, one faith, one baptism. Jesus said I am the way, the truth and the life. There's no other way. Scripture does not allow for another way.

Jesus called Herod a fox. He called the Pharisees blind leading the blind.

Paul said anyone who tries preaching another gospel is cursed.

What meanies!

Originally Posted by n david

I get that, being a muslim who serves a dead and false prophet, it's difficult for you to understand how a person filled with the Holy Ghost is able to rightly say, "I give you Jesus."

Let me break this down for you.

WIi follows islam, which is a false religion. He follows mohammed, a dead and false prophet who has deceived millions.

Because of this, he cannot understand the authority and power which is given to them which take on the Name of Jesus and have been filled with the Holy Ghost.