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Originally Posted by Praxeas
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There was only one. Where does it say "One thief made fun and the other didn't"?
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Why do you need “proof” posted of mismatches that you can read yourself?
On the crucifixion:
Story in
Matthew
In Matthew, Jesus did not carry his own cross, both of those crucified with him heaped insults on him, there was an earthquake and walking dead. This is the only version with earthquake and walking dead. No mention that the sun stopped shining.
32 As they were going out, they met a man from Cyrene, named Simon, and they forced him to carry the cross.
44 In the same way the rebels who were crucified with him also heaped insults on him.
51 At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook, the rocks split 52 and the tombs broke open. The bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. 53 They came out of the tombs after Jesus’ resurrection and[e] went into the holy city and appeared to many people.
Story in
Mark
In Mark, Jesus did not carry his own cross, both of those crucified with him heaped insults on him, no earthquake mentioned, no walking dead, no darkness mentioned.
21 A certain man from Cyrene, Simon, the father of Alexander and Rufus, was passing by on his way in from the country, and they forced him to carry the cross
Those crucified with him also heaped insults on him.
38 The curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom.
Story in
Luke
In Luke, Jesus did not carry his own cross, one of those crucified with him insulted him, but the other one was said to defend him. The sun stopped shining, but there was no earthquake, and no walking dead. Jesus’ last words were recorded, though not in Matt and Mark
26 As the soldiers led him away, they seized Simon from Cyrene, who was on his way in from the country, and put the cross on him and made him carry it behind Jesus.
One of the criminals who hung there hurled insults at him: “Aren’t you the Messiah? Save yourself and us!”
40 But the other criminal rebuked him. .
45 for the sun stopped shining. And the curtain of the temple was torn in two. 46 Jesus called out with a loud voice, “Father, into your hands I commit my spirit.
I doubt, and won’t even ask for any of you to explain that if Jesus is, as you say, God himself, who then does Jesus (assuming the above is the correct version) commit his spirit to? No, rather than explain this, you lot would gather a woodpile, set up a stake, buy a lighter, and burn / ban someone for asking the question. What you people don’t get is that the “debate room” is a place to debate, not to directly copy and paste factual information nor it is the place to ask questions, not that any of you can answer them. You just skip your needle to some other faraway verse that has nothing to do with the question asked.
Story in
John
In John, Jesus carried his own cross. This does not match the other three versions. Jesus’ last recorded words were not the same as in Luke.
17 Carrying his own cross, he went out to the place of the Skull (which in Aramaic is called Golgotha).
When he had received the drink, Jesus said, “It is finished.”
I am not really interested in all of the theoretical reasons that these stories do not match. The chance to match was lost thousands of years ago. I have highlighted only what is directly contradictory.
Summary: Don’t tell me there is no “proof” of discrepancy as if I am an idiot, can’t read words, and need your help explaining them.
Next: Resurrection. It’s worse.
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