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Re: Does anyone use the Septuagint?
Quotes from the OT in the NT are tricky. Sometimes they are from the LXX. Sometimes they are from the MT. Sometimes they are from something else.
Some quotes are more allusions than quotes. The entire idea of verbatim quotes was known in Greek literature of that day.
But it is interesting.
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06-13-2015, 03:51 PM
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Re: Does anyone use the Septuagint?
Ill use the LXX when some clown says "See? the LXX does not have your Yahweh in it"....then I take them to Psalms where it says Alleluia...Praise Yah
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06-13-2015, 04:29 PM
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Re: Does anyone use the Septuagint?
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Originally Posted by Scott Pitta
Quotes from the OT in the NT are tricky. Sometimes they are from the LXX. Sometimes they are from the MT. Sometimes they are from something else.
Some quotes are more allusions than quotes. The entire idea of verbatim quotes was known in Greek literature of that day.
But it is interesting.
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The NT quotes are either from the LXX, or an Aramaic translation which we no longer have access. With all due respect, saying that the NT quoted from the MT is like saying the NT quoted from the Book of Mormon. The Masoretic text only came to be 600 years after Jesus, His apostles, and Paul. Scrolls which were in Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek may have some things worded as in the MT, but not all the MT represents what they had available during the 1st Century.
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Re: Does anyone use the Septuagint?
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Ill use the LXX when some clown says "See? the LXX does not have your Yahweh in it"....then I take them to Psalms where it says Alleluia...Praise Yah
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That's Greek, so imagine if you read it on a tepee? 
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Re: Does anyone use the Septuagint?
Yes, you are correct. I should have said Hebrew text.
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06-13-2015, 05:04 PM
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Re: Does anyone use the Septuagint?
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Yes, you are correct. I should have said Hebrew text.
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Thank you my brother for clearing that up for me.
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Re: Does anyone use the Septuagint?
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The NT quotes are either from the LXX, or an Aramaic translation which we no longer have access. With all due respect, saying that the NT quoted from the MT is like saying the NT quoted from the Book of Mormon. The Masoretic text only came to be 600 years after Jesus, His apostles, and Paul. Scrolls which were in Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek may have some things worded as in the MT, but not all the MT represents what they had available during the 1st Century.
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Indeed! There is also the question: In places where the NT appears to quote a reading not found in either the Greek, Aramaic, or Hebrew texts available to us, how many of those instances not quotations of a "missing text" but instead are apostolic paraphrases, if you will?
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06-13-2015, 08:54 PM
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Re: Does anyone use the Septuagint?
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Indeed! There is also the question: In places where the NT appears to quote a reading not found in either the Greek, Aramaic, or Hebrew texts available to us, how many of those instances not quotations of a "missing text" but instead are apostolic paraphrases, if you will?
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Excellent point I forgot to bring up.
Thank you my brother. 
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Re: Does anyone use the Septuagint?
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Thank you for this.
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