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Old 06-02-2007, 12:52 AM
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There is much talk of various creeds. Perhaps it would help to see, in English, the original creed. Knock yourselves out, but at maybe this will provide a common starting point for debate.

Please Note: In refering to the "one, holy, catholic and apostolic church" this does not refer to the RCC! The creed, also known as the Confession of Faith, was determined prior to the RCC pulling away from what is now known as the Eastern Orthodox Church, in 1054, in large part over Rome changing the Creed! This Creed was done in 325 by the 1st Ecumenical Council of Nicaea and this is NOT the creed used by the RCC.

Please also note that the commonly accepted meaning of "catholic" by the RCC is 'universal'. However, the Eastern Orthodox has always accepted the meaning of "catholic" to mean 'wholeness' or 'fullness'.



The Creed

I believe in one God, Father Almighty,
Creator of heaven and earth, and of all things
visible and invisible.

And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotton Son of God,
begotton of the Father before all ages;
Light of Light, true God of true God, begotten
not created, of one essence with the Father,
through Whom all things were made.

Who for us men and for our salvation
came down from heaven and was incarnate
of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary and became man.

He was crucified for us under Pontius Pilate,
and suffered and was buried;

And He rose on the third day,
according to the Scriptures.
He ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father;

And He will come again with glory to judge the living
and the dead; His kingdom shall have no end.

And in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the Creator of Life,
Who proceeds from the Father, Who together with the
Father and the Son is worshipped and glorified,
Who spoke through the prophets.

In one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church.

I confess one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
I look for the resurrection of the dead,
and the life of the age to come. Amen.

I see no conflict with scripture in the wording of this creed. This is 325 AD, there is no mention of eternal damnation, this along with other evidences from history make is unlikely that the early church embraced it.
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