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Old 07-11-2015, 09:30 AM
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Re: Why was Lucifer in heaven?

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I believe I have been taught that this passage in Luke is referring to the Ezekiel account regarding Lucifer.

Luke 10:18 "And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven."

I never really looked at that closely until today, and I thought this was interesting what Barnes wrote, which means you need to read the previous verse:

Luke 10:17 "And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name. (18) And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven."
I totally understand I was told the same thing. Yet, the events actually have nothing to do with each other. Look at the context of what is going on that Jesus makes His statement.

Jesus is replying to the statement the 70 make in Luke 10:17. The 70 return proclaiming there authority (the Greek word is used in a military sense) over demons. Jesus' comment is a reply to what they were doing. Jesus then goes on to say that He saw Satan fall from heaven as lighting a position of spiritual authority. The scripture does say that we are seated with Christ in heavenly places, also heavenly realms are the places where all power lays Ephesians 1:3, Ephesians 2:6, Ephesians 3:10, Ephesians 6:12. Therefore Jesus replies to the 70 that He has seen the adversary fall from this place of authority and power. Remember when Jesus and Satan have their discussion in Luke 4:6 Satan tells Jesus that Satan would give the glory of all the kingdoms and authority over those kingdoms, because they were Satan's to give to anyone he wanted to give them. Satan had the authority, but Jesus wasn't going to compromise and bow to Satan to obtain the authority. Jesus tells His disciples that you must first bind the strong man Matthew 12:29, and Mark 3:27. Therefore Satan would be bound, and his authority taken from him.

Jesus replies to His 70 disciples concerning Satan falling as lighting from heaven, and goes right into His comment found in Luke 10:19 stating that the power of authority had been given to them, therefore they rule and command.

The king of Babylon is called the first light which brings the dawn, he was the head of gold Daniel 2:38. The king of Babylon's golden city cease Isaiah 14:4. The king of Babylon was seen as a great tree which reached to heaven so high all the earth could view the greatness Daniel 4:11. Yet, what are we seeing that is the same is where it speaks of rulership authority, not a fall of a arch demon, an angel gone bad and shaking his fist at God because he wouldn't bow to God's creation...man.

The dragon with his tail drag a third of the angels Revelation 12:4, a war is in heaven Revelation 12:7, yet we are told these aren't literal, but are symbolic a σημεῖον translated in English as sign or in the KJV as wonder. Again, all this is speaking of a transference of authority. Satan and his corrupt ministers as 2 Corinthians 11:14-15, and the defender of Israel with his true ministers Daniel 12:1, with his righteous ministers. While the scriptures do speak of falls from authority, they aren't speaking about an angel who fell from grace IMHO.
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