UPCI, ALJC, PAW - Is This New or Normal Occurance?

[n david]

Originally Posted by Servant's <3

Does it matter if it is unusual or not? Bro Bernard can preach wherever he is invited and desires to preach. He is a very eloquent and insightful man. He wasn't picked to be GS because of his good looks.

I applaud his efforts to have fellowship with those of similar doctrine. Of course there will be some who will see this for things it isn't but I genuinely don't care what those people have to say on this matter.

Don't get me wrong, I think it's great! I'm not part of any organization myself and have fellowshipped with UPCI, PAW and ALJC people here. I believe there should be more of what Dr. Bernard mentioned. It's absurd that some churches of the same organization can't even fellowship together, or that people who believe the same doctrine of oneness and salvation can't come together for prayer, fellowship or services.

[TrueBeliever]

You started it

Originally Posted by kclee4jc

[returnman]

Looking at all from the outside now I see the UPC in a constant stage of flux from here on out. Trying to keep both ends of the conservatives and liberals satisfied has to be a challenge. I am sure it is a constant concern. You have the support outside of UPC for either if and when a minister or saint should decide to depart. I don't envy the leadership and can understand DB crossing those lines. I am sure it is a reflection of both personal and representation.

[kclee4jc]

Originally Posted by TrueBeliever

You started it

true!

[CC1]

Originally Posted by returnman

Looking at all from the outside now I see the UPC in a constant stage of flux from here on out. Trying to keep both ends of the conservatives and liberals satisfied has to be a challenge. I am sure it is a constant concern. You have the support outside of UPC for either if and when a minister or saint should decide to depart. I don't envy the leadership and can understand DB crossing those lines. I am sure it is a reflection of both personal and representation.

I disagree with you. For the most part the liberals have left and many of the most conservative have also for the WWPF. What you describe was the situation a few years ago or maybe a decade ago.

In the last few years Rex Johnson, Jimbo Kilgore,the pastor from the Ft. Worth / Dallas area whose name escapes me (he was turned in for having on the church website under his profile his favorite tv show before having a tv was legal so it forced the issue of association with the UPC and the church voted to leave), and others have left that represented the progressive wing of the UPCI.

It seems to me from my relatives and friends who are still UPC and from watching / listening to various major conferences and campmeetings that the UPCI has firmly landed in the middle with most pastors believing in core standards like uncut hair, no jewelry, no makeup, etc ,etc.

Even in a state like mine, Tennessee, where for decades it had the reputation of being liberal my visit to this summer's campmeeting surprised me as virtually 100% of the women were toeing the exttra biblical standards line.

[obriencp]

Originally Posted by kclee4jc

...I do not see that the PAW is doctrinally sound as an organization...

Please enlighten us. From an organizational standpoint, where is the doctrine of the PAW flawed?

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by n david

In the past few weeks, Rev. David Bernard has visited and preached at the church pastored by the Superintendent of the ALJC, and also spoke at the PAW Convention in Detroit at the church pastored by the Prelate of the PAW, Bishop Charles H. Ellis III.

Unfortunately the video was on FB and not YouTube, else I would post it. In his comments to the PAW (video is on their FB page), Rev. Bernard quoted Acts 2:42 and said we don't have to be part of the same organization or church, but we need to have the same doctrine, we need to pray together, we need to worship together and we need to have church together. (cue praise break)

Is it normal for the UPCI GS to visit and speak at other organization's churches or conferences, or is this something new?

n David, I am pretty sure that Brother Urshan preached PAW pretty often.

I seem to remember something about that.

I can tell you as a kid Louisiana Youth Camps we had ALJC preachers preaching youth camps.

And I know its not gen conference, but Because of the Times consistently had PAW and others

[Servant's <3]

There were more women than you realize that were not "toeing the extra biblical line" as you state. It is just not as blatant.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Ferd

n David, I am pretty sure that Brother Urshan preached PAW pretty often.

I seem to remember something about that.

I can tell you as a kid Louisiana Youth Camps we had ALJC preachers preaching youth camps.

And I know its not gen conference, but Because of the Times consistently had PAW and others

I thought Bro. Urshan spoke at other organizations, but wasn't sure. I was at BOTT when Bishop Norman Wagner of the PAW preached in the 90s. And I believe there was an ALJC minister who preached at BOTT also.

I just don't remember hearing much about a UPCI GS speaking at other org's churches or events.

[2theX]

Originally Posted by CC1

I don't know about the leaders speaking at each others churches but I seem to recall back in the 70's when I attended GC's that representatives of the PAW And ALJC would be on the platform and recognized. That is a far cry from preaching though!

Wow 70s? You must be getting to be an old man?
Either that or you recieved the Holy Ghost at a very young age. Thanks for posting Elder .hehe