Shouting at NAYC

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Originally Posted by Ferd

There is plenty of scripture related to raising ones voice to the lord in praise. In fact there is plenty of scripture that relates shouting to the Lord as a form of warfare. both physical and spiritual.
Joshua 6:20
So the people shouted, and priests blew the trumpets; and when the people heard the sound of the trumpet, the people shouted with a great shout and the wall fell down flat, so that the people went up into the city, every man straight ahead, and they took the city.

2 Chron 13:15
Then the men of Judah raised a war cry, and when the men of Judah raised the war cry, then it was that God routed Jeroboam and all Israel before Abijah and Judah.

Originally Posted by Ferd

Is 12:6
Cry aloud and shout for joy, O inhabitant of Zion, For great in your midst is the Holy One of Israel
Ps 47:1
O clap your hands, all peoples; Shout to God with the voice of joy.

Originally Posted by Ferd

In fact the Psalmist David enjoins ALL THE EARTH to raise its collective voices in praise to God.

He tells the sea to clap its hands, to raise its voice. He intones the people to shout "with the voice of many waters".

He instructs the mountains to speak out and to fall on their faces. David in fact states that if the people will not Praise God, the ROCKS WILL CRY OUT.

Originally Posted by Ferd

2 Chron 13:15
Then the men of Judah raised a war cry, and when the men of Judah raised the war cry, then it was that God routed Jeroboam and all Israel before Abijah and Judah.

There you go.

As ive started balance is always key. shouting will never be the whole answer.

I have taught over the years, one particular thing on one day, to the exclusion of other interconnected things, because that's what I needed to do.

We are taking in isolation one 5 minute period during a weekend conference where there were classes during the day and very long services with preaching every night of the conference.

and we are acting like this is what NAYC was? this 5 minutes? im sorry but really that's not being intellectually honest.

NAYC was not simply a yell practice. Our kids that went came home changed. We had kids go that were boarderline. they came home with a commitment I had not seen in them before.

That wasn't because for 5 minutes one night they got really really loud.

BUT I am glad they had that moment of experiencing a real War Shout. It is worthy. It is a good thing. it aint the only thing they need. It wont sustain them during the seasons when the heavens turn to brass and they feel no prayer reaches heaven. BUT it IS one of the things a child of God needs in their lives.

I agree that balance is the key and that shouting will not be the whole answer. Again, I am a participant, so I am not against any form of worship that is decent and in order. You don't have a problem with me on that at all.

I highlighted your other posts because I am wondering why we find and quote the passages from the OT ONLY. What did the Apostles teach?

I see Peter sitting in Cornelius's home, explaining the Hebrew scriptures and the Holy Ghost falls and fills the people present. That is an awesome experience right there - the "scriptures" brought down the power of God.

We had the same experience in our church. Many came back changed and several children also experienced their parents being renewed and others receiving the Holy Ghost for the first time. So, again, we agree - "this 5 minutes" of decibel language wasn't the full impact.

Originally Posted by Ferd

it aint the only thing they need. It wont sustain them during the seasons when the heavens turn to brass and they feel no prayer reaches heaven. BUT it IS one of the things a child of God needs in their lives.

If we teach this to them upon returning than we have done a great job.

I deleted the rest of what I really wanted to say. Because there are a lot of things to take into account and this forum is not the place to do that properly.