The Effects of A Loud Shout | Raul Alvear Jr. :)

[n david]

[Pressing-On]

The apostle Paul wasn't looking for a crowd motivated by cheerleaders. Cheerleaders will panic if the crowd isn't noisy enough.

What did Paul say - with purpose?

"I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air: But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway." I Cor. 9:26-27.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

The apostle Paul wasn't looking for a crowd motivated by cheerleaders. Cheerleaders will panic if the crowd isn't noisy enough.

What did Paul say - with purpose?

"I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air: But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway." I Cor. 9:26-27.

Great verse, one of my favorite. Has nothing to do with shouting vs not shouting.

[J.A. Perez]

Originally Posted by n david

Great verse, one of my favorite. Has nothing to do with shouting vs not shouting.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by n david

Great verse, one of my favorite. Has nothing to do with shouting vs not shouting.

I figured you would miss the point. The point is this - while you are making noise, show me strength and purpose as well. Don't just give me noise.

And I believe that is the point that people are trying to make here. I haven't gotten the impression anyone is against the shout.

The elephant in the room is that we have seen, to a large degree, noise without strength. We have seen cheerleading without strength, only for effect.

As we are looking for a strong person to lead this country in 2016, it is no different than looking for a strong, purposeful leader like Paul in the churches.

Shout unto the Lord with the voice of triumph, but let it be about more than noise - let it be about commitment and strength.

Additionally, this commentary has nothing to do with questioning the speaker's motives in the OP's video - for the record.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I figured you would miss the point. The point is this - while you are making noise, show me strength and purpose as well. Don't just give me noise.

And I believe that is the point that people are trying to make here. I haven't gotten the impression anyone is against the shout.

The elephant in the room is that we have seen, to a large degree, noise without strength. We have seen cheerleading without strength, only for effect.

As we are looking for a strong person to lead this country in 2016, it is no different than looking for a strong, purposeful leader like Paul in the churches.

Shout unto the Lord with the voice of triumph, but let it be about more than noise - let it be about commitment and strength.

Additionally, this commentary has nothing to do with questioning the speaker's motives in the OP's video - for the record.

Amen. I love the shout, and I believe God does mighty things when His people praise Him. I also believe, as you posted, it should be more than just noise.





**I edited this post and deleted my original response because I don't wish to argue over something minor.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by n david

Wait a minute, please. You posted a verse and added commentary with it as though Paul wrote the verse about cheerleading or shouting, and when I post that it has nothing to do with the subject, you say I'm missing the point of the verse?

The verse has nothing to do with what you claim. In simple context, the verse is Paul's analogy to a race, v. 24-26.

"Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain. And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible. I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air: But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway."

I don't believe I'm the one missing the point of the verse.

"As though" is your perception.

Exactly, a "race" that won't be won if we are focusing on a person's approval rating with God being on how loud they can shout, how much noise a person can make. The leader has simply relegated himself to the position of a cheerleader and is shallow at best. There are many other definitions for praise and worship is the point.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by J.A. Perez

When we get to heaven by His grace, we won't have that choice. We will praise him without hindrance!

And everyone will be loud over there.

As a matter of fact I can't wait to grab Sister Flounnie Webb by the hand and run the streets of Gold !

21 And the twelve gates were twelve pearls: every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.

And bro. Perez...it is TRANSPARENT GOLD, it is soooo pure. It will bedazzle our minds with such perfection!

[n david]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

"As though" is your perception.

Exactly, a "race" that won't be won if we are focusing on a person's approval rating with God being on how loud they can shout, how much noise a person can make. The leader has simply relegated himself to the position of a cheerleader and is shallow at best. There are many other definitions for praise and worship is the point.

I agree there have been many who have wrongly defined praise and worship as who is the loudest or runs, rolls, dances, etc. I believe we have a reason to do those things, and I believe God loves to see His people do those things.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by n david

I agree there have been many who have wrongly defined praise and worship as who is the loudest or runs, rolls, dances, etc. I believe we have a reason to do those things, and I believe God loves to see His people do those things.

I agree. I believe we have all been in various services that have been sincerely loud and sincerely quiet, yet powerful. The services, from my experience, that have affected the most long term change - the quietly powerful.

Now, that we have agreed on something. I don't have any more time today.

Ready for the second presidential debate tonight!