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[Godsdrummer]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Here was the original question.

How many pages did Sean dodge and distract in this thread?

Like I said, Sean has never had a honest discussion with us and probably never will. So, the next time Sean lies about destorying people in discussions concerning eschatology he is lying.

EB, and Mike, in the beginning when Sean first came on this forum, I thought he was real. He even mentioned being married to the daughter of one of the pastors in the state of Washington that my wife and I knew while working with the youth in our state.

But it did not take long for him to show his true colors, starting with his war on tithing. That should have been a warning way back then. But then he heard about fulfilled eschatology, and he lost it completely. His whole sense of reasoning flew out the window in his one man war he felt God had called him to wage against fulfilled eschatology.

In all my fifty plus years of bible discussions with all types of subjects and beliefs I have never come across anyone that twist and lies and misrepresents what others have said or written in their attempt to argue against a subject.

Sean has filled 5 pages of nonsense with his enlarged, red letter, repeated post that do not deal with the simplest of questions, never answering the simplest of questions, and he want us to explain two whole chapters? How many pages of wasted space would he fill if we did?

I have come to agree with EB that Sean is a nine year old child with his mom's computer.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

EB, and Mike, in the beginning when Sean first came on this forum, I thought he was real. He even mentioned being married to the daughter of one of the pastors in the state of Washington that my wife and I knew while working with the youth in our state.

But it did not take long for him to show his true colors, starting with his war on tithing. That should have been a warning way back then. But then he heard about fulfilled eschatology, and he lost it completely. His whole sense of reasoning flew out the window in his one man war he felt God had called him to wage against fulfilled eschatology.

In all my fifty plus years of bible discussions with all types of subjects and beliefs I have never come across anyone that twist and lies and misrepresents what others have said or written in their attempt to argue against a subject.

Sean has filled 5 pages of nonsense with his enlarged, red letter, repeated post that do not deal with the simplest of questions, never answering the simplest of questions, and he want us to explain two whole chapters? How many pages of wasted space would he fill if we did?

I have come to agree with EB that Sean is a nine year old child with his mom's computer.

Sean, you really need to ponder this post. Take it as a post of instruction.
With all seriousness you are pretty much through here, and that's with no smiley or funny animated gif.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

EB, and Mike, in the beginning when Sean first came on this forum, I thought he was real. He even mentioned being married to the daughter of one of the pastors in the state of Washington that my wife and I knew while working with the youth in our state.

It was my wifes' uncle.

But it did not take long for him to show his true colors, starting with his war on tithing.

I had just got the internet in those times and was able to obtain outside info on tithing. I always thought there was a problem with it, but had very little info, until now.

That should have been a warning way back then. But then he heard about fulfilled eschatology, and he lost it completely. His whole sense of reasoning flew out the window in his one man war he felt God had called him to wage against fulfilled eschatology.

Yes Loren it came as a shock to me. I never, ever heard of preterism in 34 years of teaching. You spoon fed me a little at a time, but as a teacher of prophecy, it made less and lees sense to me as you made your case.

In all my fifty plus years of bible discussions with all types of subjects and beliefs I have never come across anyone that twist and lies and misrepresents what others have said or written in their attempt to argue against a subject.

I only point out the flaws that you guys present...call it what you want. I specialize in EXPOSING hidden teachings. I cant help it, God gave me a gift of seeing what you are saying "between the lines".

Sean has filled 5 pages of nonsense with his enlarged, red letter, repeated post that do not deal with the simplest of questions, never answering the simplest of questions, and he want us to explain two whole chapters? How many pages of wasted space would he fill if we did?

I openly EXPOSED the moronic concept that Mike is teaching, that the New Heaven, has an outside edge, that the City(church) had to leave into some other realm.(LEFT heaven)
I then presented my case, that the city(New Jerusalem), merely is coming down from one area of heaven to another area of heaven.


I have come to agree with EB that Sean is a nine year old child with his mom's computer.

Loren, I feel like all of the imaginary ideas that preterists have about the Bible are for children UNDER 9 years old to concoct.
Your preterist archives are an example of out of control, child like ideas, put on paper.
No wonder Benincasa still finger paints and watches cartoons, then posts them....LOL

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Sean

Okay, one more post tonight....this is awesome!


Mike(preterist) has made the case that the New Heaven has an outer edge, then heaven ends and there is an "outside of heaven" area.


Mike says that the New Jerusalem City leaves heaven completely, past this outer edge of heaven.

Sean(futurist) says that The New Jerusalem City, merely leaves one area of heaven to another area of heaven for its' presentation.

Mike says that the New Jerusalem City is not really a city, but saints.

Mike is telling us, the New Jerusalem City(or the saints) leave heaven completely......


Here is what Mike is wanting to tell us.....

21 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

2 And I John saw the saints of God, coming down from God, leaving heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.


Yes brethren, this is what Mike wants us to think. Just read his posts about the "city" LEAVING heaven!

again...

[mfblume]

Still can't answer, can you, Sean? And you accused others of not answering your questions. How many pages have gone by without an answer?

[Godsdrummer]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Sean, you really need to ponder this post. Take it as a post of instruction.
With all seriousness you are pretty much through here, and that's with no smiley or funny animated gif.

But he won't as is seen in his next post.

Originally Posted by Sean

Loren, I feel like all of the imaginary ideas that preterists have about the Bible are for children UNDER 9 years old to concoct.
Your preterist archives are an example of out of control, child like ideas, put on paper.
No wonder Benincasa still finger paints and watches cartoons, then posts them....LOL

Sean in the above post you lied and said Mike believes something he never said. Which is why we have said you must not be able to read beyond a third grade level.
You call yourself a teacher of prophecy, but you cannot answer direct questions honestly nor with any intelligence.

I am not going to interact much with you anymore. It is a waste of time and space.
But as an example of your lies and twisting what we say, here is one.

I openly EXPOSED the moronic concept that Mike is teaching, that the New Heaven, has an outside edge, that the City(church) had to leave into some other realm.(LEFT heaven)
I then presented my case, that the city(New Jerusalem), merely is coming down from one area of heaven to another area of heaven.

First off Mike never said that, nor implied anything of the sort! Further your reply is even more moronic (your words) "New Jerusalem is coming down from one area of heaven to another area of heaven" .

[mfblume]

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

But he won't as is seen in his next post.


LOL



Sean in the above post you lied and said Mike believes something he never said. Which is why we have said you must not be able to read beyond a third grade level.

Have you noticed that Mike has not DENIED that he believes heaven has an end and the City LEAVES heaven? He started the conversation on that very premise of the city LEAVING heaven.[

You call yourself a teacher of prophecy, but you cannot answer direct questions honestly nor with any intelligence.

I just did, but you somehow want me to believe Mike, that the New Jerusalem City, LEAVES heaven completely, to attempt to make some MORONIC preterist point, that the Tree of Life is fake, and not really a tree at all.

I am not going to interact much with you anymore. It is a waste of time and space.

Well, that is up to you, but I am your hope to get out of preterism. If you abandon me, then all you have to interact with is these guys....

But as an example of your lies and twisting what we say, here is one.

I openly EXPOSED the moronic concept that Mike is teaching, that the New Heaven, has an outside edge, that the City(church) had to leave into some other realm.(LEFT heaven)
I then presented my case, that the city(New Jerusalem), merely is coming down from one area of heaven to another area of heaven.



First off Mike never said that, nor implied anything of the sort! Further your reply is even more moronic (your words) "New Jerusalem is coming down from one area of heaven to another area of heaven" .

Mike did INDEED imply that the City LEFT heaven.....


My thought is the alternative to Mikes' which implies heaven has no "edge" to fall off and is endless, like God Himself is endless.

If you dont like my idea, then Mikes' is your alternative...

[Sean]

Originally Posted by mfblume

It came out of heaven. You just quoted it. It went to earth. Out of heaven. Say it with me. "Out of heaven".

Loren here is what Mike said.

[Sean]

If anything leaves heaven as Mike claims, where does it go?