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Old 11-04-2015, 08:21 PM
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Oh no, shag and I were having a very civil, nice chat, when the greedy little preacher busted it up...LOL
Don't let me slow you down, go ahead explain the how God leaves His temple. What temple Sean will He being leaving in the future? Since you place all this in the future?
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Wait wolf, just explain the chapter.
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Old 11-04-2015, 08:24 PM
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Shag, I await your questions.
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Old 11-04-2015, 08:25 PM
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Loren you are not a greedy little preacher(GLP)...I see you are there, just join us!
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You said yes it was fulfilled in 772 bc, but how do you know for certain it was fulfilled in 722 bc concerning Samaria, if it's ONLY a possibility that He did what He said He'd do in scripture, when He said He would come down and tread on the high places of the earth, that the mountains literally melted under him, and that the valleys literally split? (Like wax before a fire, and waters poured down a steep place).


If it was fulfilled then as you said, then He had to do it according to scripture, melting mtn's, splitting valleys, treading high places on earth...correct?
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Sean explain why God is treading down the high places if they are in the future? Do they currently worship pagan images in modern Israel? How many pagan temples are currently located in the area of Israel?
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For the transgression of Jacob is all this, and for the sins of the house of Israel. What is the transgression of Jacob? is it not Samaria? and what are the high places of Judah? are they not Jerusalem?

And all the graven images thereof shall be beaten to pieces, and all the hires thereof shall be burned with the fire, and all the idols thereof will I lay desolate: for she gathered it of the hire of an harlot, and they shall return to the hire of an harlot.

Sean, where is all this going on in Israel today?
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You said yes it was fulfilled in 772 bc, but how do you know for certain it was fulfilled in 722 bc concerning Samaria, if it's ONLY a possibility that He did what He said He'd do in scripture, when He said He would come down and tread on the high places of the earth, that the mountains literally melted under him, and that the valleys literally split? (Like wax before a fire, and waters poured down a steep place).



The verse in question says this...

3 For, behold, the Lord cometh forth out of his place, and will come down, and tread upon the high places of the earth.

4 And the mountains shall be molten under him, and the valleys shall be cleft, as wax before the fire, and as the waters that are poured down a steep place.


Stuff happens to Israel, then it says this.....

Micah 4(Chapter 4)
4 But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the Lord shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.

2 And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.

3 And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

4 But they shall sit every man under his vine and under his fig tree; and none shall make them afraid: for the mouth of the Lord of hosts hath spoken it....


We see 2 passages concerning His 2nd coming, then more stuff happens, then the book concludes with His 2nd coming.....

16 The nations shall see and be confounded at all their might: they shall lay their hand upon their mouth, their ears shall be deaf.

17 They shall lick the dust like a serpent, they shall move out of their holes like worms of the earth: they shall be afraid of the Lord our God, and shall fear because of thee.

18 Who is a God like unto thee, that pardoneth iniquity, and passeth by the transgression of the remnant of his heritage? he retaineth not his anger for ever, because he delighteth in mercy.

19 He will turn again, he will have compassion upon us; he will subdue our iniquities; and thou wilt cast all their sins into the depths of the sea.

20 Thou wilt perform the truth to Jacob, and the mercy to Abraham, which thou hast sworn unto our fathers from the days of old.




So what I see is the 2nd coming of the Lord Jesus Christ, in the beginning, the middle, and the end of the book.

The "possibly" thing I mentioned, is just in case God saw things in the Spirit, that we cannot see, and described it to us, using comparisons.

Btw, this is my perspective is of this book, and not a doctrine that I can call absolute.
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