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Evang.Benincasa · #**111** 11-10-2015, 05:26 PM

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Do you believe you are a good tree or a bad tree?

I believe all are bad trees

OK, with scripture please show how Jesus was saying that all those who follow Him would be those bad trees, and since Jesus used a comparison of bad and good trees obviously there must be good trees. Since you believe that the good trees don't exist could you explain why Jesus even brought up a comparison which one group wouldn't even exist? Please explain why with scripture.

Evang.Benincasa · #**112** 11-10-2015, 05:30 PM

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Hebrews 10:29 is speaking of blaspheming the Holy Ghost.

How much severer punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has INSULTED the Spirit of grace?

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Regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant.

One the one side I stand and claim the blood of Jesus was clean and enough to cover all our sins.

On the other are all of you who claim that the blood of Jesus can't cover all sin

Who insults the spirit of grace?

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Jfrog how are you getting that from the verse? It looks like you bypassed the verse I offered? But instead of dealing with the verse in its context, you decided to tell me how those who oppose your belief system are the bad guys. That you are clean. Could you please explain the verse in its context?

Jfrog, I believe you may of forgotten I asked for the explanation of Hebrew 10:29? Could you explain the verse in its context?

Evang.Benincasa · #**113** 11-10-2015, 05:32 PM

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1 John 3:7-10

Little children, let no one LEAD you ASTRAY; the one practicing righteousness is righteous, JUST AS HE IS RIGHTEOUS. The one who practices sin is OF THE DEVIL, because the devil has been sinning from the very start. This is why the Son of God was revealed, to destroy the WORKS of the devil. Anyone born of God REFUSES to practice sin, because God's SEED abides in him; he CANNOT go on sinning, BECAUSE he has been born of God. Through this, the children of God and the children of the devil are MANIFEST: anyone not practicing righteousness is NOT OF GOD, and also the one not loving his brother.

Jfrog could you give your explanation of what the writer of 1st John is telling his readers if all trees are supposed to be bad trees and produce bad fruits?

jfrog · #**114** 11-10-2015, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

OK, with scripture please show how Jesus was saying that all those who follow Him would be those bad trees, and since Jesus used a comparison of bad and good trees obviously there must be good trees. Since you believe that the good trees don't exist could you explain why Jesus even brought up a comparison which one group wouldn't even exist? Please explain why with scripture.

Jonh 15:4-6

4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

Jesus is the good tree. His followers are the branches?

Evang.Benincasa · #**115** 11-10-2015, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by jfrog

Jonh 15:4-6

4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

Jesus is the good tree. His followers are the branches?

Excellent! Jesus is the tree of life and we must abide in Him, that we bring forth MUCH fruit. Without being grafted into the tree we can do NOTHING.
Now, if a man does not abide, is broken off, he is cast forth, and withers, gathered and thrown into the fire to be burned. We can bring forth good fruit if we remain in Christ. Thank you Jfrog.

jfrog · #**116** 11-10-2015, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Jfrog, I believe you may of forgotten I asked for the explanation of Hebrew 10:29? Could you explain the verse in its context?

He's speaking of a total turn from the gospel of Christ. It's not about a single sin or even a very bad one. Instead, it's about forsaking the entire gospel by turning back to the jewish religion.

Evang.Benincasa · #**117** 11-10-2015, 11:21 PM

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He's speaking of a total turn from the gospel of Christ. It's not about a single sin or even a very bad one. Instead, it's about forsaking the entire gospel by turning back to the jewish religion.

Again, excellent, going back to works based religion, and forsaking the sacrifice of the Lamb. Which leaves no more sacrifices, and by returning to the yoke of bondage they insult the Spirit of Grace.

jfrog · #**118** 11-10-2015, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Excellent! Jesus is the tree of life and we must abide in Him, that we bring forth MUCH fruit. Without being grafted into the tree we can do NOTHING.
Now, if a man does not abide, is broken off, he is cast forth, and withers, gathered and thrown into the fire to be burned. We can bring forth good fruit if we remain in Christ. Thank you Jfrog.

Did I not say as much when I encouraged Blume to praise God that he was better at living in the Spirit than many of his brothers?

Does someone who doesn't live in the Spirit 24/7 all the time suddenly get struck from the tree to wither and die and be burned?

Are those more capable of living in the Spirit greater than those who are less capable of it?

Evang.Benincasa · #**119** 11-11-2015, 12:03 AM

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Did I not say as much when I encouraged Blume to praise God that he was better at living in the Spirit than many of his brothers?

Does someone who doesn't live in the Spirit 24/7 all the time suddenly get struck from the tree to wither and die and be burned?

Are those more capable of living in the Spirit greater than those who are less capable of it?

From what we see from the scripture is that there are children, young men, and elders, three stages of development towards maturity. Jesus says be ye perfect as your father in heaven is perfect. The Greek word means complete, full age, by reason of use to have had your senses exercised to know right from wrong. So those who are led by the Spirit, they are the sons of God. Living in the Spirit 24/7, I don't believe that is what the writers meant, that we used time to clock in and clock out, but just like you do anything in your life consistently and do it well, even without much thought. The life of following Jesus Christ should be the same way. Knowing to do good and do it not it is sin unto the one who knows better. Jesus expected this out of the religious leadership of His time, would it be so much if He then required it from those who claim to love Him? You love Him, because He loved you first and showed you that love, and love you felt and understood. Therefore you won't turn back and abandoned Him. You won't leave because you are in as much love with Him, as He is with you.

1st John 3 explains that we are to PRACTICE righteousness as HE is righteous, and no longer practice sin. So, while you are living for God, you may make mistakes as you grow, any child does, but you persevere and move forward in the Spirit. Following the love of God that is shed abroad in your heart.

votivesoul · #**120** 11-11-2015, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

From what we see from the scripture is that there are children, young men, and elders, three stages of development towards maturity. Jesus says be ye perfect as your father in heaven is perfect. The Greek word means complete, full age, by reason of use to have had your senses exercised to know right from wrong. So those who are led by the Spirit, they are the sons of God. Living in the Spirit 24/7, I don't believe that is what the writers meant, that we used time to clock in and clock out, but just like you do anything in your life consistently and do it well, even without much thought. The life of following Jesus Christ should be the same way. Knowing to do good and do it not it is sin unto the one who knows better. Jesus expected this out of the religious leadership of His time, would it be so much if He then required it from those who claim to love Him? You love Him, because He loved you first and showed you that love, and love you felt and understood. Therefore you won't turn back and abandoned Him. You won't leave because you are in as much love with Him, as He is with you.

1st John 3 explains that we are to PRACTICE righteousness as HE is righteous, and no longer practice sin. So, while you are living for God, you may make mistakes as you grow, any child does, but you persevere and move forward in the Spirit. Following the love of God that is shed abroad in your heart.

Functional Christianity 101. I salute you!