Pentecostal Assemblies of the World, Inc.

[Rudy]

Originally Posted by 2theX

Altough there's already some hot topics and threads on Standards in the forum; I'll touch briefly about my own feelings about it.
I personally think facial hair is discernment of judgment call by conservitive leadership and for good reason; which we could start [or there might be one already] another thread and discuss.
But the makeup, dress code and jewelry is in The Bible.
And can't be denied its there...sorry I'm limited on time with my work schedule otherwise id post the Scriptures too..
But you keep saying "besides that" [referring to their appearance] "their doctrine is the same". Look up what happened to the Nicolations: they started mixing the flesh [or the worldy things] with the the right message but Jesus was not happy with them.
Hopefully most of the PAW,s dont go along with this "new" teaching, because it looks to me like they have moved away from sound Doctrine: a lot of church's usually go downhill from there, unless they repent of course.
These are the "last days" and perilous times are here!
We need to be praying for each other that we stay strong in the Lord: and coming out from amongst them and being separate is one of the ways we do this.

Respectfully you must live in a box. Who are these conservatives you speak of that will bless us with their wisdom? God has always had a people since ancient times! Men wearing beards, women wearing jewelry, etc. The P.A.W. was here long before the upc was even thought of.

Now you think they need to repent before they go down hill. They will be here when you are dead and gone.

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by 2theX

Altough there's already some hot topics and threads on Standards in the forum; I'll touch briefly about my own feelings about it.
I personally think facial hair is discernment of judgment call by conservitive leadership and for good reason; which we could start [or there might be one already] another thread and discuss.
But the makeup, dress code and jewelry is in The Bible.
And can't be denied its there...sorry I'm limited on time with my work schedule otherwise id post the Scriptures too..
But you keep saying "besides that" [referring to their appearance] "their doctrine is the same". Look up what happened to the Nicolations: they started mixing the flesh [or the worldy things] with the the right message but Jesus was not happy with them.
Hopefully most of the PAW,s dont go along with this "new" teaching, because it looks to me like they have moved away from sound Doctrine: a lot of church's usually go downhill from there, unless they repent of course.
These are the "last days" and perilous times are here!
We need to be praying for each other that we stay strong in the Lord: and coming out from amongst them and being separate is one of the ways we do this.

"I personally think", well it is not what you think or what anyone thinks it is what does the Bible says, and the Bible speaks positively about beards.
Your "I personally think" has no more value than what an Atheist would think.

Neither is it about the discernment or judgment of any group of people, it is what does says the Lord in his Bible.

"But the makeup, dress code and jewelry is in The Bible."
Really? Where? I read the Bible and I do not see it, are you reading the same Bible I am reading? by the way I usually read the KJV, so I might have missed those verses that teach such things, could you please point them out to me?

Oh wait, I found it , it is in Genesis 24:47 "Then I put the ring in her nose and the bracelets on her arms" Oh I get it, Godly women are supposed to wear rings in their noses and bracelets on their arms.

or perhaps you mean Ezekiel 16:11-13 "Where God himself says "I adorned you with jewelry: I put bracelets on your arms and a necklace around your neck, and I put a ring on your nose, earrings on your ears and a beautiful crown on your head So you were adorned with gold and silver; your clothes were of fine linen and costly fabric and embroidered cloth"
Since God can not sin nor condone sinful practices, then we must imitate God and adorn our brides with Gold and silver.

thank you for showing me in the Bible what God thinks of adorning our brides with Gold and Silver.

[Esaias]

What is the relationship between the PAW and the COOLJC/COTLJC groups? Did the COOLJC come from the PAW, or was it a separate work?

[obriencp]

Originally Posted by Esaias

What is the relationship between the PAW and the COOLJC/COTLJC groups? Did the COOLJC come from the PAW, or was it a separate work?

I don't know the answer to this, but i'm glad to see this thread getting back on course a little.

[2theX]

The Root about the PAW's backing off of the original standards are likely not so much about beards and the like, as it is about probably wanting more money and needing a broader rage of parishioner to add to the offering plate.
I was just stating a few facts about their, jewelry, makeup, women "pants", and "new" beards on men.
Hope those folks understand I wasn't trying to offend.
He that ears to hear- let him hear.

[2theX]

It Might be that the "FlamingZword" has not been born of the water and spirit yet or has not ever understood why standards are implemented in the church body.
I cant see this individual as fully being Apostolic in doctrine yet by the Comments posted.

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by 2theX

It Might be that the "FlamingZword" has not been born of the water and spirit yet or has not ever understood why standards are implemented in the church body.
I cant see this individual as fully being Apostolic in doctrine yet by the Comments posted.

The church did not set up non-biblical standards, it was some men from some religious organization.

So now you get to decide who is fully Apostolic or not.

I thought the Bible determined who was Apostolic or not.

I preach the Bible, the bible, and the bible only.

It is obvious that you do not believe in letting the Bible determine what we should believe.

You have set some men's teaching above the Bible, and that is heresy and abomination to God.

I obey and teach the Bible's commandments, you obey and teach some man made commandments.

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by 2theX

The Root about the PAW's backing off of the original standards are likely not so much about beards and the like, as it is about probably wanting more money and needing a broader rage of parishioner to add to the offering plate.
I was just stating a few facts about their, jewelry, makeup, women "pants", and "new" beards on men.
Hope those folks understand I wasn't trying to offend.
He that ears to hear- let him hear.

You say you are not trying to offend, but you set up as judge over the motives of a whole organization of People who have been saved by the blood of Jesus.

You impugn unto theme ulterior motives of wanting a bigger membership for filthy lucre, is that not malicious slandering?

They do not attack you or refuse to accept your salvation, yet you readily question their salvation.

yes you have offended a multitude of Brethren who have not attacked you at all.

I have saved brethren in the UPC, the PAW and other Jesus name organizations, I do not go around looking to judge them or set them straight that is not my job.

If they are wrong in any part, I pray that God will give them more understanding or light.

[2theX]

Check out this thread
http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...light=Standard

This is an excellent posting you should read to help you understand why we have Standards and where they are in the Bible.

There's enough scripture on those other threads to answer your questions on Standards,
I do have one Question for you.
Have you been baptized in Jesus name?
and have you ever received the Holy ghost with the evidence of speaking in other tongues?
If you have not been baptized and we both make it to heaven, I promise i wont condemn you, the same way I don't condemn you now.
God Bless and and I hope you have blessed night.

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by 2theX

Check out this thread
http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...light=Standard

This is an excellent posting you should read to help you understand why we have Standards and where they are in the Bible.

There's enough scripture on those other threads to answer your questions on Standards,
I do have one Question for you.
Have you been baptized in Jesus name?
and have you ever received the Holy ghost with the evidence of speaking in other tongues?
If you have not been baptized and we both make it to heaven, I promise i wont condemn you, the same way I don't condemn you now.
God Bless and and I hope you have blessed night.

You obviously have no idea of what I believe yet you have questioned my salvation.
I was going to answer your questions, but what purpose would it serve?
Would you apologize?

I really do not care if you apologize to me at all, but you have imputed a whole Jesus name organization. Thousands of my Christian brethren who have been baptized in the name of Jesus and who have received the Holy ghost with the evidence of speaking in other tongues.

You should be deeply ashamed of yourself but I don't believe you have the notion of what you have done wrong.

By the way you have not power or right to condemn anyone.