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Originally Posted by shazeep

How do you interpret the Vineyard Owner with Two Sons?

All these explanations about specific verses while you fail to explain a single one I present.

But to humour you, the parable of the two sons is about the destruction coming against Jerusalem. The context in Matt 21 is the rejection of Jesus as Messiah. And when He was rejected He gave parable after parable about the loss of one group of people and the gain of another. The son who said he would do the father's will are the Jews who claimed they were God's people, and serve Him. But when Jesus came they rejected him. And gentiles and even jewish people who were not religious leaders, but considered scum of Israel by the élite, were the ones who never made such a claim, and wound up being the ones to accept His messiahship and serve Him when He came.

That is what it's about. Read the context. You fail to realize one verse is not a complete thought and you also complain when I say to study context. Shaz, you simply don't know much about the bible.

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Originally Posted by mfblume

That is a red flag to me. All the passages I quoted that show the FIRST work that God MUST do to anyone is the cross, and you poo-poo it to a second rate deal.

No, that is God's part, not ours. Ours is to show faith. In the cross. By your works. Not interested into delving into the dogmatical differences in Islam right now. It does not matter if they "talk wrong" in your view; if they produce fruit, they will be accepted. God judges one's heart, not one's beliefs.

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Originally Posted by shazeep

No, that is God's part, not ours. Ours is to show faith. In the cross. By your works. Not interested into delving into the dogmatical differences in Islam right now. It does not matter if they "talk wrong" in your view; if they produce fruit, they will be accepted. God judges one's heart, not one's beliefs.

You are simply not interested in learning what the bible says. They deny what the bible itself says is most vital. To deny the cross and death of Jesus for our sins is to be lost no matter how much "fruit" they bear. In fact it is not real fruit God wants if it is human goodness, because abiding in Him through his death provides the real LIFE that makes true fruit. The rest is all plastic table decoration.

You're wasting my time. That's clear.

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ok, you are about to start calling me names again, so i am done too.

Originally Posted by mfblume

All these explanations about specific verses while you fail to explain a single one I present.

But to humour you, the parable of the two sons is about the destruction coming against Jerusalem. The context in Matt 21 is the rejection of Jesus as Messiah. And when He was rejected He gave parable after parable about the loss of one group of people and the gain of another. The son who said he would do the father's will are the Jews who claimed they were God's people, and serve Him. But when Jesus came they rejected him. And gentiles and even jewish people who were not religious leaders, but considered scum of Israel by the élite, were the ones who never made such a claim, and wound up being the ones to accept His messiahship and serve Him when He came.

That is what it's about. Read the context. You fail to realize one verse is not a complete thought and you also complain when I say to study context. Shaz, you simply don't know much about the bible.

Go with that then, if it makes you feel better.

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Koran:

Surah 4:157, Women...

"And their saying: Surely we have killed the Messiah, Isa son of Marium, the apostle of Allah; and they did not kill him nor did they crucify him, but it appeared to them so (like Isa) and most surely those who differ therein are only in a doubt about it; they have no knowledge respecting it, but only follow a conjecture, and they killed him not for sure."

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Originally Posted by shazeep

Go with that then, if it makes you feel better.

Nothing to do with feeling better. Just realizing your agenda so that I no longer have to waste time. Praying for you.

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Originally Posted by mfblume

Nothing to do with feeling better. Just realizing your agenda to no longer waste time. Praying for you.

yes, more sops for your ego. Good job.

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Originally Posted by shazeep

yes, more sops for your ego. Good job.

You wish. And you said I called you names.

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ok, praying for you, Mike. I'm sure you appreciate it.

[shazeep]

the culmination of Galatians

what matters is faith working through love.

12I wish those who are disturbing you might also get themselves castrated!
(i know just how he feels )

14For the entire law is fulfilled in one statement: Love your neighbor as yourself.