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Originally Posted by shazeep
the red herring is putting this second, instead of first. One's proclamations at the altar serve no one, except possibly themselves.
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That is a red flag to me. All the passages I quoted that show the FIRST work that God MUST do to anyone is the cross, and you poo-poo it to a second rate deal. The applied work of the cross is greater than anything, even the fruit we must bear. It is blasphemy to say the work of Christ's death on the cross is second and not first.
But I suppose if you think others who deny his very crucifixion can carry a cross for God to save them, then what else would the cross be than a second rate deal:
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Originally Posted by Q'uran
Surah 4:157, Women...
"And their saying: Surely we have killed the Messiah, Isa son of Marium, the apostle of Allah; and they did not kill him nor did they crucify him, but it appeared to them so (like Isa) and most surely those who differ therein are only in a doubt about it; they have no knowledge respecting it, but only follow a conjecture, and they killed him not for sure."
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