Love One Another and the Cross

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Originally Posted by shazeep

yes. your point is that you need to feel superior to everyone else, and view yourself as some kind of priest, so you must needs twist or outright ignore everything i say.

Typical red herring again. Shaz. Give it up. You answer NO single verse I quote. You avoid the issue. You ignore my explanations and repeat things I clarified.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by mfblume

a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.[/color]
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There you have it!

that is a Law/Grace comparison, not a faith/deeds comparison.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by shazeep

that is a Law/Grace comparison, not a faith/deeds comparison.

Deal with the verse and explain how that is so and where I am wrong by using the actual verse and pointing out what it says.. deeds are works.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by mfblume

More:

Romans 4:6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,

Shazeep explain that.

this is you saying the same stuff in stereo now, and refusing to admit that Love is the command, not Acts 2:38. If you believe that performing an Acts 2:38 ritual is the end of what one needs to do to be saved, then you will be known by your fruit.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Typical red herring again. Shaz. Give it up. You answer NO single verse I quote. You avoid the issue. You ignore my explanations and repeat things I clarified.

I think the truth has been made clear. Have a nice day--praying for you!

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Originally Posted by shazeep

I think the truth has been made clear. Have a nice day--praying for you!

It has indeed been made clear!

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by shazeep

this is you saying the same stuff in stereo now, and refusing to admit that Love is the command, not Acts 2:38.

I never said it was not the command. But commandments do not save. Acts 2:38 saves. But you ignored that explanation.

If you believe that performing an Acts 2:38 ritual is the end of what one needs to do to be saved, then you will be known by your fruit.

I agree. What's the problem? I never said love is not the command. But you ignored that explanation. I already said genuine Acts 2:38 obedience is not a ritual. But you won't look at my words that said that. You ignored that explanation. In reality, you are ignoring what bearing fruit is all about and how it comes about.

You cannot dialogue without ignoring pertinent points I make. That's not being honest.

The guys who wrote this and those who believe this are saved in your mind:

Surah 4:157, Women...

"And their saying: Surely we have killed the Messiah, Isa son of Marium, the apostle of Allah; and they did not kill him nor did they crucify him, but it appeared to them so (like Isa) and most surely those who differ therein are only in a doubt about it; they have no knowledge respecting it, but only follow a conjecture, and they killed him not for sure."

Jesus said this:

Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

[shazeep]

yes, and how does one show that they believe? After all, one that believeth not, and is baptized, is not saved. There is no getting around Faith without works is dead. To rephrase that, plainly, faith by itself is pointless. You must show, you cannot just say. By all means, believe and be baptized. Then, go get re-baptized, to show that you do not understand. And you will not, ever, understand, until you grasp that love is the message. Declarations of faith will not save you.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by shazeep

yes, and how does one show that they believe? After all, one that believeth not, and is baptized, is not saved. There is no getting around Faith without works is dead. To rephrase that, plainly, faith by itself is pointless. You must show, you cannot just say. By all means, believe and be baptized. Then, go get re-baptized, to show that you do not understand. And you will not, ever, understand, until you grasp that love is the message. Declarations of faith will not save you.

Keep ignoring how I said that. Declaring saves no one. Believing saves.

Bye.

[shazeep]

So then, you admit that other Christians might be saved? Excellent. Of course, you have to renounce your OP oaths now, or be shunned, i guess?