I Don't Think God "Creates" Anything Any More

[Sean]

Children do not inherit Adams' sin, but they inherit Adams' sin nature.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Nope, never have been a member. Born and raised Apostolic and spent most of my adult life so far as Apostolic. The last several years, I have not been Apostolic.

it sure wouldn't hurt to get some less fundamental perspectives on Christianity--read some Matthew Fox, perhaps. "Original Blessing" was good.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Sean

Children do not inherit Adams' sin, but they inherit Adams' sin nature.

The result, however, is still the same-- all humans are born stained by sin and in need of Jesus.

All humans who die without Jesus are lost, but I have been taught in the past that the eternal destination of the baby is based on the salvational status of the parents at the time of the baby's death. Now, biblically, I can't support that position.

If God is personally creating every human being today, is He creating their spirit, their body, all of the above? Is God creating sin-stained babies?

[shazeep]

um, what? (Witness the fruit of fundamental doctrine, imo.)

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

We should kill as many babies as we can so that we can ensure their eternal home with Our Father.

um, yikes? i do hope you're kidding.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by shazeep

um, what? (Witness the fruit of fundamental doctrine, imo.)
um, yikes? i do hope you're kidding.

Being very sarcastic-- of course we should not kill babies, but if they are born sinless and without a sin nature and are doomed to develop one by the age of two and, based on the law of averages, doomed to not be saved and doomed to go to hell and then doomed to go to the lake of fire, why not spare the sinless baby the risk of all of that doom?

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

The result, however, is still the same-- all humans are born stained by sin and in need of Jesus.

Agreed.


All humans who die without Jesus are lost, but I have been taught in the past that the eternal destination of the baby is based on the salvational status of the parents at the time of the baby's death. Now, biblically, I can't support that position.

I heard that also, but I realized later that is not Biblical. Jesus said about non-born again children, "theirs is the kingdom of heaven".
He did not say that about non-born again adults though.


If God is personally creating every human being today, is He creating their spirit, their body, all of the above? Is God creating sin-stained babies?

He creates perfection. the presence of sin damages creation.

For example, the sin of Hiroshima damages generations of what would be beautiful creation.

https://www.bing.com/images/search?q...68&FORM=IQFRBA

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Sean

He creates perfection. the presence of sin damages creation.

For example, the sin of Hiroshima damages generations of what would be beautiful creation.

https://www.bing.com/images/search?q...68&FORM=IQFRBA

Thank you.

[Sean]

You are very welcome, my brother!

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Being very sarcastic-- of course we should not kill babies, but if they are born sinless and without a sin nature and are doomed to develop one by the age of two and, based on the law of averages, doomed to not be saved and doomed to go to hell and then doomed to go to the lake of fire, why not spare the sinless baby the risk of all of that doom?

amen. Demonstrably false. This is why OP sects often discourage questioning. Any sects, actually, but the more fundamental are generally stricter about it. It might be viewed that they are in a sense closer to the truth, and so satan must employ stricter measures against them. I am becoming more convinced that while it appears hopeless to our eyes, most OPs mature into a more inclusive perspective, even if they never change churches, or get vocal about it.